Even More Calendars Predict End in 2012

[OneLight]

I once was told that Christ visited another group on this planet when He said in John 10:16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold", but I never believed it. This group said they visited the Mayan people, which I took as a lie. No matter what we post here, people will watch will wonder as the time grows close. trying to make sense of what others have written while all along taking their eyes of scripture while searching on the words of men.

Good luck with all the false prophesies. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. I lean not on my own understanding, but on the Lord only.

[rod1]

The generation is 70years, (as in Daniels seventy) taking the fullness of time, it should be 1948 fullness start 1949, plus the seventy years, 2019-7yrs for the trib=7yr peace treaty sometime 2012.

Beginning of the Trib, on the day of the future peace accord. A literal 7yr peace treaty. The person who presides over this treaty will be Antichrist, Daniel (9:27)

That's why I can be certain of his identity. He's in the box seat at the right time.

Hold me to it, not long to go, otherwise I'm a false prophet myself.

2012 the beginning, not the end.

OK, but you are still speaking as if this is your interpretation and not as a word from the Lord.

I do not understand why you insist on this.

Nebula,

I do believe God has given me insight, because I believe he gives understanding if you admit to him you just don't know, without his grace given revelation.

You're right, noone can claim to have sole agency to unrevealed prophecy, revelation is at Gods' discretion, he is the revealer of mysteries.

I do know of others that are certain Nicolas Sarkozy will be Antichrist, but I can asure you my belief was God revealed not secondhand information.

What i have just written is a big call, I hope you realize that much, from my position, not yours!

I don't say these things because of an ego trip.

My aim is to help Christians understand the inevitability of very hard times to come, and not be shocked, wondering what's going on when it does happen.

Cause Revelation does say, we'll be persecuted by Antichrist for the first 42months even possibly to death. Rev 13: 5+7.

About offences and forgiveness.

Jesus' message was not for the old covenant Jew, but the new wine, for new wineskins, namely us, spirit filled sons of God. Jesus said his message was for those who had

the ears to hear, those led by the spirit. The 'someone' (in slaps you on the face) is certainly not to be a Son of God (a brother), in view of his New Covenant message.

A caloused cold heart is the fruit of the old nature, that's why anyone claiming Christ must never continue to behave offensively, otherwise if it's persistent, he can be ultimately rejected and treated as a pagan, because that's his true nature. he never was a regenerate believer.

Gods will is the law of love, to remain in Him we must strive to practice mercy, grace, justice and humility, if he is in us he will lead us. I think you would agree with me on this.

To those going on about the calendars being out, and all that stuff!.... I'm not concerned with the year zero, only 1948!..... the rest doesn't matter, does it!

Blessings Nebula,

Rod.

Edited December 3, 2011 by rod1

[nebula]

Nebula

If our calender is say 7 to 8 years off. Christ being born about 7 or 8 BC. And yet the Gregorian calendar beginning is at the end of BC or at Christs birth during 1 AD. If Christ birth was prior to the Gregorian records , We then would be in the year 2018 or 2019 AD. The Mayan calender begin in about August 11, 3114 BC according to the Gregorian calender. Thus it would end in 2012 AD according to the Gregorian calender. The Gregorian calender is based on Jesus' birth being approximately 1 AD. Truly Jesus was born 8 to 9 BC according to records. If this is the case, the true ending of the Mayan calender would have been 2002 or 2003 AD.

I am still failing to understand how our calendar being off from Jesus' birth year impacts our ability to relate the Mayan calendar to our calendar.

Unless the Mayan calendar is also set to Jesus' birth year? (Which I can't imagine how that would be.)

[nebula]

Nebula,

I do believe God has given me insight, because I believe he gives understanding if you admit to him you just don't know, without his grace given revelation.

You're right, noone can claim to have sole agency to unrevealed prophecy, revelation is at Gods' discretion, he is the revealer of mysteries.

I do know of others that are certain Nicolas Sarkozy will be Antichrist, but I can asure you my belief was God revealed not secondhand information.

Rod, you are not the first person to make such a bold claim - about your certainty that God directly gave you this revelation. I have heard this from people in my personal life, in the media, and on the Message board - "God revealed to me...." And they all believed it, too.

So why should I believe your revelation?

And as I mentioned before, I interact with prophetic people. When they are proclaiming what they heard from the Lord, the focus is always on the Lord.

"...For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."(Rev. 19:10)

What i have just written is a big call, I hope you realize that much, from my position, not yours!

I don't say these things because of an ego trip.

My aim is to help Christians understand the inevitability of very hard times to come, and not be shocked, wondering what's going on when it does happen.

Cause Revelation does say, we'll be persecuted by Antichrist for the first 42months even possibly to death. Rev 13: 5+7.

One does not need an I.D. for the AC to know this.

About offences and forgiveness.

Jesus' message was not for the old covenant Jew, but the new wine, for new wineskins, namely us, spirit filled sons of God. Jesus said his message was for those who had

the ears to hear, those led by the spirit.

So you are saying His words had no relevance to anyone He spoke to before any of them, the hearers, were spirit-filled?

The 'someone' (in slaps you on the face) is certainly not to be a Son of God (a brother), in view of his New Covenant message.

A caloused cold heart is the fruit of the old nature, that's why anyone claiming Christ must never continue to behave offensively, otherwise if it's persistent, he can be ultimately rejected and treated as a pagan, because that's his true nature. he never was a regenerate believer.

Gods will is the law of love, to remain in Him we must strive to practice mercy, grace, justice and humility, if he is in us he will lead us. I think you would agree with me on this.

Born-again, spirit-filled people are just as capable of exhibiting jerky behavior as the unsaved. We all still struggle with sin - even Paul confessed to such (Romans 7). Consider, why would John (in his epistle) have to keep encouraging those he wrote to to love one another unless he had noticed they were not exhibiting love to one another?

Now let's look back at what you said:

"do you think I should allow a fellow believer to slap my face for nought."

Are you regarding this "fellow believer" as a pagan because he slapped your face? Or are you saying that we only turn the other cheek to pagans who slap us in the face? But then how is your reaction to being slapped an expression of "mercy, grace, justice and humility"?

[Guest shiloh357]

I do believe God has given me insight, because I believe he gives understanding if you admit to him you just don't know, without his grace given revelation.

You're right, noone can claim to have sole agency to unrevealed prophecy, revelation is at Gods' discretion, he is the revealer of mysteries.

I do know of others that are certain Nicolas Sarkozy will be Antichrist, but I can asure you my belief was God revealed not secondhand information

So said everyone who thought Bill Clinton, Pope John Paul II, Kofi Anon, and Prince Charles and Tony Blair were the anti-Christ. All of them were wrong, but were convinced of their God-given insight. Back in the 80's and 90's they were just sure that the Lord would return before the 2000.

To those going on about the calendars being out, and all that stuff!.... I'm not concerned with the year zero, only 1948!..... the rest doesn't matter, does it!

There is no basis for saying that all of prophecy hinges on 1948. It was a significant year, but you are making more of it than is there.

[Guest borderline]

I once was told that Christ visited another group on this planet when He said in John 10:16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold", but I never believed it. This group said they visited the Mayan people, which I took as a lie. No matter what we post here, people will watch will wonder as the time grows close. trying to make sense of what others have written while all along taking their eyes of scripture while searching on the words of men.

Good luck with all the false prophesies. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. I lean not on my own understanding, but on the Lord only.

You may be thinking of the Essenes. They lived during the time of Christ and around the dead sea. They also had different 'orders' elsewhere in nearby villages. They were a bit like the 'apostles and prophets' of the early church. You may recall we had a discussion about "apostles and prophets" a while back. Some believe that these are "the sheep that are not of this fold."

Many Protestants seem to bash them for their asceticism. But Protestants seem to enjoy bashing their own anyway. Why would the church need an enemy like Satan when they already have millions of enemies within willfully demonizing and condemning one another i.e. the church?

Ghandi said, "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

I agree with Ghandi and have a very unfavorable opinion of Christians myself! (esp. Protestant/Fundamentalist Baptist)

I just can't see how God is pleased with His church today. The divisions are great and those who try to make amends are criticized and demonized by their own.

Just watch John MacArthur sometime. He'll tell you how ecumenism is evil and how Billy Graham is a false prophet who denies Christ!

As far as to OP goes I'll say it again.

Sometimes God uses the foolishness of man to teach Christians a lesson.

Since most of you have fallen for PRETRIBULATIONISM AND THE GLOBAL DICTATOR/GLOBAL RELIGION theory, you are so far off on your prophetic beliefs that maybe the foolishness of man will help smarten you folks up when tribulation begins. Maybe we've had it too good for too long and our luck is about to run out. Maybe more crime and a lack of food, water, and sanitary services would make us more like te Essenes and bring us closer to God and closer together. AHH! But in the view of many Capitalist that would make us a Socialist, a liberal, or even a Communist!

Hardship is what God's church needs for Him to "bring low the arrogance of man."

AND HE WILL DO IT!

My big question to all of the 'prophecy experts', "Will you ever come out of denial?"

Edited December 3, 2011 by borderline

[Guest shiloh357]

Many Protestants seem to bash them for their asceticism.

God is not impressed or pleased with ascetism. It is a useless practice where true spiritutality is concerned.

I agree with Ghandi and have a very unfavorable opinion of Christians (esp. Protestant/Fundamentalist Baptist) myself!

Who really cares what your unfavorable opinion about other believers is?

Troublesome times is what God's church needs for Him to "bring low the arrogance of man."

AND HE WILL DO IT!

Hopefully, He will begin with you.

[OneLight]

I once was told that Christ visited another group on this planet when He said in John 10:16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold", but I never believed it. This group said they visited the Mayan people, which I took as a lie. No matter what we post here, people will watch will wonder as the time grows close. trying to make sense of what others have written while all along taking their eyes of scripture while searching on the words of men.

Good luck with all the false prophesies. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. I lean not on my own understanding, but on the Lord only.

You may be thinking of the Essenes. They lived during the time of Christ and around the dead sea. They also had different 'orders' elsewhere in nearby villages. They were a bit like the 'apostles and prophets' of the early church. You may recall we had a discussion about "apostles and prophets" a while back. Some believe that these are "the sheep that are not of this fold."

Nope, it was the Mayan people. Remember, I did not think of anything, they told me what they thought.

Many Protestants seem to bash them for their asceticism. But Protestants seem to enjoy bashing their own anyway. Why would the church need an enemy like Satan when they already have millions of enemies within willfully demonizing and condemning one another i.e. the church?

Ghandi said, "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

I agree with Ghandi and have a very unfavorable opinion of Christians myself! (esp. Protestant/Fundamentalist Baptist)

I just can't see how God is pleased with His church today. The divisions are great and those who try to make amends are criticized and demonized by their own.

Just watch John MacArthur sometime. He'll tell you how ecumenism is evil and how Billy Graham is a false prophet who denies Christ!

Being a Christian is following Christ with a personal relationship, not a denomination and their doctrines. Did you not just add to this division you disagree with so much?

As far as to OP goes I'll say it again.

Sometimes God uses the foolishness of man to teach Christians a lesson.

Since most of you have fallen for PRETRIBULATIONISM AND THE GLOBAL DICTATOR/GLOBAL RELIGION theory, you are so far off on your prophetic beliefs that maybe the foolishness of man will help smarten you folks up when tribulation begins. Maybe we've had it too good for too long and our luck is about to run out. Maybe more crime and a lack of food, water, and sanitary services would make us more like te Essenes and bring us closer to God and closer together. AHH! But in the view of many Capitalist that would make us a Socialist, a liberal, or even a Communist!

Hardship is what God's church needs for Him to "bring low the arrogance of man."

AND HE WILL DO IT!

My big question to all of the 'prophecy experts', "Will you ever come out of denial?"

I guess you are more of an example Gandhi spoke of then in agreeance with him? Pretrib, I am not. Neither do I believe everyone will fallow a one world leader or religion. We are God's people, set aside for Him, not for what is to come into the world, which the world will follow.

[nebula]

Many Protestants seem to bash them for their asceticism. But Protestants seem to enjoy bashing their own anyway. Why would the church need an enemy like Satan when they already have millions of enemies within willfully demonizing and condemning one another i.e. the church?

Ghandi said, "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

I agree with Ghandi and have a very unfavorable opinion of Christians myself! (esp. Protestant/Fundamentalist Baptist)

I just can't see how God is pleased with His church today. The divisions are great and those who try to make amends are criticized and demonized by their own.

Just watch John MacArthur sometime. He'll tell you how ecumenism is evil and how Billy Graham is a false prophet who denies Christ!

Borderline -

Do you realize that in your first breath you speak of how much you hate Christians bashing each other....

and then in your next breath you proceed to bash Christians!

[rod1]

Nebula,

I do believe God has given me insight, because I believe he gives understanding if you admit to him you just don't know, without his grace given revelation.

You're right, noone can claim to have sole agency to unrevealed prophecy, revelation is at Gods' discretion, he is the revealer of mysteries.

I do know of others that are certain Nicolas Sarkozy will be Antichrist, but I can asure you my belief was God revealed not secondhand information.

Rod, you are not the first person to make such a bold claim - about your certainty that God directly gave you this revelation. I have heard this from people in my personal life, in the media, and on the Message board - "God revealed to me...." And they all believed it, too.

So why should I believe your revelation?

And as I mentioned before, I interact with prophetic people. When they are proclaiming what they heard from the Lord, the focus is always on the Lord.

"...For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."(Rev. 19:10)

What i have just written is a big call, I hope you realize that much, from my position, not yours!

I don't say these things because of an ego trip.

My aim is to help Christians understand the inevitability of very hard times to come, and not be shocked, wondering what's going on when it does happen.

Cause Revelation does say, we'll be persecuted by Antichrist for the first 42months even possibly to death. Rev 13: 5+7.

One does not need an I.D. for the AC to know this.

About offences and forgiveness.

Jesus' message was not for the old covenant Jew, but the new wine, for new wineskins, namely us, spirit filled sons of God. Jesus said his message was for those who had

the ears to hear, those led by the spirit.

So you are saying His words had no relevance to anyone He spoke to before any of them, the hearers, were spirit-filled?

The 'someone' (in slaps you on the face) is certainly not to be a Son of God (a brother), in view of his New Covenant message.

A caloused cold heart is the fruit of the old nature, that's why anyone claiming Christ must never continue to behave offensively, otherwise if it's persistent, he can be ultimately rejected and treated as a pagan, because that's his true nature. he never was a regenerate believer.

Gods will is the law of love, to remain in Him we must strive to practice mercy, grace, justice and humility, if he is in us he will lead us. I think you would agree with me on this.

Born-again, spirit-filled people are just as capable of exhibiting jerky behavior as the unsaved. We all still struggle with sin - even Paul confessed to such (Romans 7). Consider, why would John (in his epistle) have to keep encouraging those he wrote to to love one another unless he had noticed they were not exhibiting love to one another?

Now let's look back at what you said:

"do you think I should allow a fellow believer to slap my face for nought."

Are you regarding this "fellow believer" as a pagan because he slapped your face? Or are you saying that we only turn the other cheek to pagans who slap us in the face? But then how is your reaction to being slapped an expression of "mercy, grace, justice and humility"?

If you remember rightly it was you that demanded me to say if what I stated was a spiritual revelation from God.

The reason I originally didn't, was cause I had no intention to brag, like a false prophet....but you couldn't see that, could you.

Your comment re my reaction to your response is demented, should there be no reaction to offensiveness? Your reasoning reminds me

Of the book of Romans when Paul says, Some might say, If by sinning we reveal and enhance Gods Holy glory, why does he still find fault in us?

Paul calls them foolish, because they don't repent but try to justify their beahiour through foolish reasoning.

For a person, claiming to be a Christian, struggling with sin is one thing (in your own life), but to choose to sin against a fellow believer and just call it, "oh a bit of jerky behavior on my part, "that's all," is sub-Christian. That's why Jesus spoke about the mill-stone hung around ones neck, a warning for those with no fear of God. The disrespectful and the dishonoring, exhibit unregenerate, worldly behavior, this should never be, out of a spring of water do we have bitter and sweet? Surely its wrong to justify this action.

Jesus' words were spiritual and were and still are spiritually discerned, see John 9:37, especially the pharisaic response.

For me to say the knowledge I have is God given is not arrogant, outrageous or necessarily false,, doesn't the Lord for- ordain all things that come to pass, is he not the revealer of mysteries, were not the prophecies of Daniel to be sealed UNTIL the Time of the END, then God must reveal their meaning in there day to some people. That's just plain logic.

Edited December 3, 2011 by rod1