The possibly False teachings of OSAS and Eternal Security

[Guest shiloh357]

Off topic for just a bit, as I roll around some thoughts on forum chat in general my mind keep coming to the same place.

I believe there was a time when church and sunday school was enough for a believer to grow up into Christ and maturity. I dont believe that anymore, teachers used to teach how to study Gods word as well as their understanding of it. Today it seems like all we get from teachers is their understanding which is good if they know how to study.

It does seem apparent the teachers of today in general have failed, granted the internet is a diff animal and doesnt always bring out the best in people but you still get to look into the hearts of those that have been taught.

I get the thing where we have diff understandings but where I really see the difference is in the knowledge of study habits or knowing how to read and dig in with understanding, i.e; dividing the scriptures as well as dividing soul and spirit, that was taught as 101, not so much anymore it seems.

What teachers used to do was teach you how to study and trust the Holy Spirit to lead you, God forbid that happen today, most teachers and even leaders will tell you if you dont adhear to our voice you will fall prey to the enemy or some cult, everything that doesnt line up with what we believe is labeled cult, that is heritical and contradicts the word of God that says "you have no need of any man to teach you", 1st John 2:27, can any give some understanding on that verse, pray the Lord opens our minds to the deep things of God only revealed by the Holy Spirit.

There needs to be a good balance between practical, skilled study of God's Word and the leading of Holy Spirit. Intellectuality on its own won't cut it and there has been a plethora of false doctrine promoted by those who to rely only on the Holy Spirit. You need both. We are to love the Lord with our heart and our mind. The Bible was designed to be studied and searched out, but that does not mean we abandon the guidance and instruction of the Holy Spirit. When we renew our minds in the Word of God the Holy Spirit teaches us how to understand and apply those truths to our daily walk.

Unfortunately, too often people leave the middle of the road and they fall into a ditch on one side or the other. Either they become rigid, intellectual legalists or they end up going with whatever pops into their head and claim it was the Holy Spirit who gave them some errant piece of information.

It is possible and might I also say, vital to keep your feet on the ground and at the same tme enjoy the exhilerating ministry of the Holy Spirit as He guides you into all truth.

[Michae]

So true Shiloh, I just wanted to add one other thing about seperating the scripture's, that is the understanding of the division between Israel and the church. Israel are an earthly people and the church is a heavenly people. Israel is chosen people and we are a birthed people. The two in terms of salvation have nothing to do with each other. We go to the Fathers house and Israel will inherit the earth. Jesus came as their earthly king over a kingdom, and Jesus is our savior. Lot of confusion for believers today comes from not being able to divide what is writen to and about Israel and what is writen directly to a birthed child of God.

[Michae]

What do you believe about our Father, does he trust us or Christ in us for our salvation, Gal 2:20.

[Guest shiloh357]

So true Shiloh, I just wanted to add one other thing about seperating the scripture's, that is the understanding of the division between Israel and the church. Israel are an earthly people and the church is a heavenly people. Israel is chosen people and we are a birthed people. The two in terms of salvation have nothing to do with each other. We go to the Fathers house and Israel will inherit the earth. Jesus came as their earthly king over a kingdom, and Jesus is our savior. Lot of confusion for believers today comes from not being able to divide what is writen to and about Israel and what is writen directly to a birthed child of God.

That is not entirely accurate. Jesus came as the Savior of Israel as well. In fact, Jesus did not come the first time to fulfill the office of Messiah. When He returns, He will fulfill that office.

While I agree that Israel and the Church are two different entities, I am not sure it's for the same reasons. I draw a distinction between the insitutional church and the community of authentic NT believers.

[Michae]

So true Shiloh, I just wanted to add one other thing about seperating the scripture's, that is the understanding of the division between Israel and the church. Israel are an earthly people and the church is a heavenly people. Israel is chosen people and we are a birthed people. The two in terms of salvation have nothing to do with each other. We go to the Fathers house and Israel will inherit the earth. Jesus came as their earthly king over a kingdom, and Jesus is our savior. Lot of confusion for believers today comes from not being able to divide what is writen to and about Israel and what is writen directly to a birthed child of God.

That is not entirely accurate. Jesus came as the Savior of Israel as well. In fact, Jesus did not come the first time to fulfill the office of Messiah. When He returns, He will fulfill that office.

While I agree that Israel and the Church are two different entities, I am not sure it's for the same reasons. I draw a distinction between the insitutional church and the community of authentic NT believers.

Jewish people can be saved just like a gentile can be saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. I was referring to Israel as a nation but as an individual a Jew can and are saved by the cross as we are

[He giveth more grace]

It absurb to think that the covenants of Israel has been discontinued, but the truth is that they are as much in force as when God made them.

Psalm 105

8He has remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath to Isaac; 10And confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

[Guest shiloh357]

It absurb to think that the covenants of Israel has been discontinued, but the truth is that they are as much in force as when God made them.

Psalm 105

8He has remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath to Isaac; 10And confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Amen. The biblical covenants build on top of each other. They don't cancel each other out.

[enoob57]

It absurb to think that the covenants of Israel has been discontinued, but the truth is that they are as much in force as when God made them.

Psalm 105

8He has remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath to Isaac; 10And confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Amen. The biblical covenants build on top of each other. They don't cancel each other out.

Precept upon precept -line upon line till we are what He intended for us to be... Love, Steven

[He giveth more grace]

I am so pround of Shiloh and Steven!

[Michae]

It absurb to think that the covenants of Israel has been discontinued, but the truth is that they are as much in force as when God made them.

Psalm 105

8He has remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath to Isaac; 10And confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

The covenants are on hold until the millenium, Acts 28:28.