Why December 25 is Christmas

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus was the human body that Christ (the Spirit-Being) incarnated 2000 years ago. Jesus died on the cross. Christ is an Immortal Being of Light. Christ is actually a title, which means "Anointed One", the same as Messiah in Hebrew. Christ's Name in heaven is Prince Michael, and He is God's Eldest (First-born) Son, just as God has told us:-

Colossians 1:14-15

1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The "I AM" (God) is The King Ruler of the Universe and Prince Michael is His First-born Son and Heir to the Throne, which is why He is referred to as PRINCE Michael. This is confirmed in Scripture, as Christ/Prince Michael is the ONLY One Who can "break the seals" on the Book that He had Daniel seal:-

Daniel 10:21, 12:4

10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.

Revelation 5:1-5

5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a Book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals (seven in God's "Code" means ALL or COMPLETELY).

5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the Book, and to loose the seals thereof?

5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the Book, neither to look thereon.

5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the Book, neither to look thereon.

5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Source of David, hath prevailed to open the Book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

It is also Prince Michael/Christ that has warned us that these end times will be a time of trouble worse than has ever been or ever will be:-

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).

Matthew 25:21-22

24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

None of that indicates that Jesus and Michael are one and the Same. The fact that you also quote from the Koran further discredits your claims. Jesus was never an angel.

Furthermore, the Bible never makes the false dichotomy that you draw between "Jesus" and "Christ." Jesus Christ is the Son of God; He is God.

N.B. It is a historical fact that the book of Jeremiah was written approximately 600 YEARS BEFORE THE BIRTH OF JESUS and the Nicolaitans practice of decorating Yuletide/Saturnalia/X-mass trees was well-documented

Really... If that is the case then, you should have no problem providing that documentation for review and examination. Please supply all historical and acrcheological documentation that you think exists to support your claim and we will test it.

Jeremiah 10:3-4

10:3 For the CUSTOMS of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, WITH AN AXE.

10:4 THEY DECK IT with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

from http://dictionary.ca...british/deck_3:

deck verb ( DECORATE )

Definition: to decorate or add something to something to make an effect

People don't carve or fashion idols with axes nor do they "deck"/decorate them.

Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about. Even Isaiah mentions how idols were made:

The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.

(Isa 40:19-20)

As does Habakukk:

What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols? Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.

(Hab 2:18-19)

What you are doing is you are imposing the modern Christmas tree tradition on to the text. You reading what you want into the Bible and trying to molde the Bible around your false teaching. The Christmas tree tradition has no historical roots in the ancient near east. If you say otherwise, YOU must provide the historical and archeological evidence that proves it.

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shiloh357: You are trying to force modern Christmas traditions into the Scriptures and you are way off base. The tradition of the "Christmas tree" originiated in Germany during the middle ages. It has nothing to do with Babylonian or ancient idolatry.

Then how is Jeremiah describing this centuries old tradition circa 600 B.C. please?

He isnt. That's the point. You are trying to read a more modern tradition into time period, culture and part of the world where no such tradition existed c. 600 BC.

Where does it talk about plating (molten metal - see Exodus 32:4)? It specifically says they were "decked" as in "Deck the halls..."

They did decorate their idols with gold and sliver (addition to the plated wood). They would decorate them with Jewlry and fine garments, usually made from purple.

And most importantly, WHERE DOES IT TELL US IN SCRIPTURE TO GO CUT DOWN (DESTROY) A TREE, BRING IT INTO OUR HOMES FOR A FEW WEEKS AND DECORATE IT TO HONOUR THE SUPPOSED BIRTHDAY OF JESUS?

Answer: Nowhere. Which is PROOF that it is a pagan tradition.

No, that doesn't prove it is a pagan tradition.

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't have the time to get into details, but there are a lot of scholors that disagree with you on this shiloh.

LOL, there are scholars of the Bible who don't believe a word of it, but would glady acquiese to the blatantly revised mythology you pointed to above. Adonis was born from a tree, not from Aphrodite. That is just how the myth goes. Scholar or not, nothing they say will change that fact. Egyptology and a serious study of ancient mythology will easily demonstrate the falsity of the information you posted above.

I have seen scholars argue that the Great Pryamid at Giza was really an ancient refueling station for ancient alien spacecrafts. The fact that someone is a "scholar" is no indication that they have a shred of commonsense or credibility.

[other one]

the point of the article is that the story of Nimrod, Gilgamesh, Orisis is the same story as told by different cultures. The mixing of the names is just to bring the stories all together as a single happening with different names.

And there are many people who agree.. Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, David Wilkerson to name three and there is an interesting article in the Jewish Encyclopedia.

I could fill pages of recent research that most likely would be simply fluffed off, so I won't bother.

[Guest]

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1 Thessalonians 5:18

And the Christmas boxing match begins again!

Merry

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria. )

And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. Luke 2:1-7

Christmas

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. Luke 2:8-12

Beloved

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 2:13-14

[other one]

John 4:23

23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth ; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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John 4:24-25

24 "God is spirit , and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth ."

NASB

So what is the truth...... are we worshiping in Spirit and Truth, or are we worshiping with pagan rituals and ideas that have always been an abhorrent to the Father, the Son and the Spirit.

is it important???

[nebula]

Also, if you take the word CONIFER, which is the name given to the family of trees to which the Christmas (Fir) tree belongs, and split the word in two, you get:

CON-IFER

CON - Satan is known as the biggest con-artist ever. He invented it.

IFER - The last half of Lucifer's name.

HE'S LAUGHING AT ALL OF US RIGHT NOW!

Voice, would you please provide evidence that you are not stretching the imagination with this one?

conifer

1851, from L. conifer "cone-bearing, bearing conical fruit," from conus "cone" (see cone) + ferre "to bear" (see infer).

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=conifer

[Littlelambseativy]

If you want to believe that instead of the bible, I guess you can.... but the book of Luke very plainly states that when Jesus went to the temple for his purification which is 40 days after birth, a woman had been in the temple prayig all night and that only happens on one night of the year that the temple is not closed at sundown. That would be Yom Kippur And that time period - 40 days is in mid september. Luke also tied Jesus's 30th year to the 15th year of Tiberius. Take the 30 years from that and you come to 3bc.

And that day in 3bc would be September 11.

so if you are saying that his birthday really is in December, it would put into question the book of Luke and I'd say pretty much puts in jepordy the complete truthfulness of the Bible itself.

So, do we believe Luke..... or some dude on the internet.

According to Luke, Jesus was presented in the temple in Jerusalem 8 days after His birth for His circumcision.

Mary went to the temple for purification.

It is also estimated that the Magoi presented their gifts to Jesus in the house that they lived in, in Bethlehem about the time of December of the same year.

[Massorite]

Why December 25 is Christmas

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by Gene Veith on December 24, 2010

in Christ,Church,History,Holidays

As I keep posting about, Christmas on December 25 is NOT due to there being a pagan holiday on that day. Repeat: Christmas is NOT based on the Roman festival of Sol Invictus. Substantial scholarship has shot down that theory, but we keep hearing it--in the press, in books that try to debunk Christianity, in churches that oppose following the church year, and even in some comments on this blog.

Now the authoritative Biblical Archaeology Review weighs in, citing more evidence debunking the pagan origin of Christmas myth, showing how it got started, and--most interestingly--tracing how the December 25 date did get set aside as the date of Jesus’s birth.

To put it simply, the date is nine months after the Feast of the Annunciation, celebrating the appearance of the angel to the Virgin Mary announcing her conception by the Holy Spirit. That date is March 25. The reason for that date is the belief that great prophets died on the date of their conception. We do know historically the date when Jesus died, since it is tied to the Jewish passover. The church determined that date to be March 25, before Good Friday and Easter became floating holidays that always fall on the weekends. The article in BAR cites how widely the attested in Jewish and rabbinic literature is the association between conception date and death date, and how this was also well known in the early church.

Please join me in correcting the myth of the pagan origins of Christmas whenever you hear it.

http://www.geneveith.com/2010/12/24/why-december-25-is-christmas/

Cobalt is correct. December 25 was not chosen to celebrated just one pagan holiday and not even the holiday of Sol Invectus. But the date of December 25 was chosen by the Roman Emperor Aurelian in 274 AD.

The last part of December is the darkest time of the year and the time of the winter solstice, in Rome on December 25, a date chosen by Emperor Aurelian in AD 274, to celebrate pagan celebrations because He wanted to compress both celebrations into one. One was the celebration of the birth of Mithras, the Iranian sun god named “Sun of Righteousness” and was a favorite of the Roman soldiers and the other celebration was the birth of the “ Unconquered Sun” and a few days earlier the celebration of the winter solstice. Also, by early December the farmer would have been finished with his autumn planting which would give way for the grandest pagan festival of the whole year. All of Rome would take part in the celebration of Saturnalia, and it was celebrated between December 17th and December 23rd to honor the Roman god named Saturn, who was the god of agriculture. Saturnalia was designated a holy day on which sacrifices and rituals were performed. The temple of Saturn was the oldest temple recorded by the Roman church and had been dedicated during the Saturnalia, when the bonds which fettered the feet of the statue of the pagan god were loosed to symbolize the liberation of the god. After the sacrifice at the temple, there would be a public banquet where the image of the god would be placed in attendance as if he were a guest. The festival was a time when social restrictions were relaxed, public gambling was allowed, less formal dinner cloths were permitted and slaves were treated as equals. They were permitted to use the dice, wear their Masters cloths and were waited on at meal time. During that week no business was allowed, the serious were barred from the festival, and there was unlimited drinking, games, singing naked, sexual perversions and other debauchery and it was a time to visit friends and give gifts.

The Roman church in seeing that the pagans had so much reverence for these pagan holy days and exalted deities during these celebrations, seized upon the peoples reverence for their gods and the date of December 25 to introduce a new reason for the season, a new holy day and called it Christ Mass. This is how and when the church compromised its integrity and pagan ritual began to infiltrate into the church and the worship of Christ. The more the church expanded in size and compromises the more pagan ritual it picked up along the way. Just as the Roman soldiers would bring back to Rome the pagan gods, worship and rituals from the nations they had conquered, so did the church pick up pagan ritual as it expanded. Every single custom, tradition and practice that is observed during the Christmas holiday, has its origins in paganism which dates back long before the birth of our Lord and Savior.

These are true historical facts and proof that Christians have been deceived into performing pagan practises in the name of Christ by the Universal Church since about 300 AD. BUT PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. LOOK IT UP FOR YOUR SELF AND SEE IF WHAT I SAY IS TRUE OR NOT.

[Floatingaxe]

To be sure, there is only ONE Sun of Righteousness.

Malachi 4:2

“But for you who fear my name, the Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in his wings. And you will go free, leaping with joy like calves let out to pasture.

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[joi]

If you want to believe that instead of the bible, I guess you can.... but the book of Luke very plainly states that when Jesus went to the temple for his purification which is 40 days after birth, a woman had been in the temple prayig all night and that only happens on one night of the year that the temple is not closed at sundown. That would be Yom Kippur And that time period - 40 days is in mid september. Luke also tied Jesus's 30th year to the 15th year of Tiberius. Take the 30 years from that and you come to 3bc.

And that day in 3bc would be September 11.

so if you are saying that his birthday really is in December, it would put into question the book of Luke and I'd say pretty much puts in jepordy the complete truthfulness of the Bible itself.

So, do we believe Luke..... or some dude on the internet.

Exactly other one, but had I not posted the article some here would not have had the privilege of reading your answer and coming to know the truth, for which I thank you.