The New Body of Christ

[Michae]

The New Body of Christ

The epistle to the Galations was written soon after Acts 13. In the time period between Acts 13 and Acts 28, seven of Paul's epistles were written. These epistles are bridge epistles in moving the believer from what Christ can do for you to who He is in you. This moves the people from the early New Testament church of self-ministries to the Body of Christ ministries. Paul recounts, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by His grace, to reveal His Son in me", Gal 1:15-16.

This is the first revelation to the new body of Christ, after the stoning Of Stephen you dont see the things that were happening as much, there were still miracles just as today but not the signs and wonders as before. God begins to move men from them having power to the power being of Christ in us body ministry.

When we try to do things like the early NT church the rest of the body becomes weak, i believe in respect for our elders and those that work in ministry but it is nolonger God coming upon man to use them in a powerful way, it is Christ alive in each one us His Body.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Michae

[nebula]

I am not understanding your theology.

The early "church" was very much focused on Body ministry. That's why Stephen was given a place of authority in the "church".

And Paul never ceased operating in signs and wonders. What do you consider his not getting sick nor dying from a viper's bite?

[mizzdy]

There is enough writings to show, I think, that Galatians was written before the Jerusalem Council and it was what lead to the decision of the council. Faith has always been and will always be what justifies us before Him and brings us into covenant with Him. If we would get back to the practices of the early Messianics we would have a stronger church, we all would be pretty much on the same page when it comes to practices. Galatians is a pretty misunderstood book many see it as Paul throwing out Gods instructions and thats just not true at all. Paul probably above most of the apostles knew that man cannot be saved by man made rules or human actions but by the grace and blood of the Messiah, just look at his life, a pharisee who persecuted the body through man added tradtions and was given personal revelation by Yeshua and was forgiven and sent out to the gentiles. Now thats grace!

shalom,

Mizz

[Michae]

Thank you both, i am just giving my understanding of what i see as God moving people from self ministries to Christ as our life ministry. I believe in miracles and believe that God can do anything He please's to do but i also see a big shift in what He was doing.

Ok for example, before Paul we have no "Christ in you" understanding, not as a message anyway. So my

Point in the OP is to give what i see as the Father moving into the Body of Christ ministry, though the body exsisted there was no message for it. The Holy Spirit's primary ministry is to reveal Christ, John, chapters 14,15 and 16.

[nebula]

Going by Paul's letters, you are seeing a progression in Paul's life, not the Body of Christ at large.

Recall that Jesus already talked about being "in" His disciples (John 14-17).

[Michae]

Going by Paul's letters, you are seeing a progression in Paul's life, not the Body of Christ at large.

Recall that Jesus already talked about being "in" His disciples (John 14-17).

Yes I understand Jesus talked about being in the believer but point again is not as a message or gospel. Paul gives us in the scriptures over 140 times being "in Christ" as a message and many of the phase's he use's being in Christ are doctrinal.

[Michae]

In John 14:17, Jesus is making reference to the Holy Spirit and His primary ministry. Jesus talked to Nicodemus to about being born again and got nowhere, without the Holy Spirit as a teacher at the time no one knew what the Father was doing as far as birthing His own children, accept Jesus of coarse. There are major differences as far as interpretation goes.

You mention John 14:17 like Jesus is giving a messge of Him going to be in us and this is how its going to work, i see it different i see Him telling us what the Spirit of Truth was going to do on the day of Pentecost when He would be poured out upon all flesh, John 14:20.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Michae

[nebula]

Going by Paul's letters, you are seeing a progression in Paul's life, not the Body of Christ at large.

Recall that Jesus already talked about being "in" His disciples (John 14-17).

Yes I understand Jesus talked about being in the believer but point again is not as a message or gospel. Paul gives us in the scriptures over 140 times being "in Christ" as a message and many of the phase's he use's being in Christ are doctrinal.

In John 14:17, Jesus is making reference to the Holy Spirit and His primary ministry. Jesus talked to Nicodemus to about being born again and got nowhere, without the Holy Spirit as a teacher at the time no one knew what the Father was doing as far as birthing His own children, accept Jesus of coarse. There are major differences as far as interpretation goes.

You mention John 14:17 like Jesus is giving a messge of Him going to be in us and this is how its going to work, i see it different i see Him telling us what the Spirit of Truth was going to do on the day of Pentecost when He would be poured out upon all flesh, John 14:20.

Hey,

You seemed to have missed the first part I said:

Going by Paul's letters, you are seeing a progression in Paul's life, not the Body of Christ at large.

Likewise, I said John 14 - 17, not John 14 : 17.

Such as John 15:1-11

"Abide in Me, and I in you...." etc.

And John 17:23 - I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

Jesus talked to Nicodemus to about being born again and got nowhere, without the Holy Spirit as a teacher at the time no one knew what the Father was doing as far as birthing His own children, accept Jesus of coarse. There are major differences as far as interpretation goes.

What do you mean by, "got nowhere"?

[goldust59]

The New Body of Christ

The epistle to the Galations was written soon after Acts 13. In the time period between Acts 13 and Acts 28, seven of Paul's epistles were written. These epistles are bridge epistles in moving the believer from what Christ can do for you to who He is in you. This moves the people from the early New Testament church of self-ministries to the Body of Christ ministries. Paul recounts, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by His grace, to reveal His Son in me", Gal 1:15-16.

This is the first revelation to the new body of Christ, after the stoning Of Stephen you dont see the things that were happening as much, there were still miracles just as today but not the signs and wonders as before. God begins to move men from them having power to the power being of Christ in us body ministry.

When we try to do things like the early NT church the rest of the body becomes weak, i believe in respect for our elders and those that work in ministry but it is nolonger God coming upon man to use them in a powerful way, it is Christ alive in each one us His Body.

We are supposed to be walking in the power of His Spirit, just as the early church did.

I totally disagree with the statement that "when we try to do things like the early NT church the rest of the body becomes weak". As the early church walked in the power of the Spirit & were led by Him as individuals in what each was called to do, then the Body was functioning properly as a whole. If we walked in the power of His Spirit like they did then, we would be seeing the signs & wonders on a greater scale than they did, because there are more of us. The body is weak because we are not doing it, and we should be.

God didn't have to move men from them having power, they never had power themselves, the power was always from the Christ inside.

[Michae]

The Apostle Paul moved us from doing what man says to doing what God says. Some people cannot stand the liberty of being free. It is like a sick person in which there is a cure yet they preferr to stay put. Everyone that wants to be free in God will have to grow in the knowledge of Christ by hearing God's voice. I admit I cant fully explain that. Hearing God's voice is knowing about God's influence in your life and acting on it.

Paul moved the New Body of Christ from being meeting oriented to being relationship oriented. I used to think big meetings showed forth God, as a young Evangelist I thought it was only the size of the crowd that brought forth the glory of God.

When I began to understand the Christ-Life, i did not see large crowds anymore, God really had to deal with me. Finally , I saw that the Apostle Paul was moving the believer from outer things to inner things, no longer thinking that success is measured by the great external things God does for us.

You become relationship-oriented, and you understand that your relationship with others is based upon the fact that all born again believerd have the same Father.