Suffering Servant / Conquering King

[Matthitjah]

I believe that she is talking about the Liberal left leaning wing of Christianity.

[~candice~]

I believe that she is talking about the Liberal left leaning wing of Christianity.

I don't think the liberal left is expecting a literal return of Christ at all

The left largely views prophecy as either past, or spiritually fulfilled, and sees Revelation as an anti-Rome piece of literature not necessarily biblical. They spiritualise almost everything. I don't think their image of Jesus is suffering servant as much as it is peace and love to all, inclusiveness hippy "stuff".

[Guest]

Think of it this way - how many Christians picture Jesus so mild and mannered that He has no problem with people worshiping other gods....

Many Really Seem Not To Think

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Matthew 21:42-44

The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful." 402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."

http://biblestudying.../catechism.html

Nor Will They Act As If They Believe That The LORD Jesus Christ

Will Return Back Down From His Father's Throne

To Rule From Jerusalem Town

With Power

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16

They Have No Fear

There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans 3:18

In contending that a bishop is married to his church, a metaphor that had become commonplace during the twelfth century, Innocent compared the bond of marriage to a bishop's tie to his church and claimed that the pope had the sole authority of approving episcopal translations....

Since only God may dissolve the bond of marriage, Innocent argued that only God has power to break the bond between a bishop and his flock. This authority was a special privilege that Christ had granted to St. Peter and his successors. Early statutes of the fathers, concluded Innocent, supported his interpretation. Therefore, only the pope possessed the authority to dissolve episcopal marriages, and only he could translate bishops:....

God, not man, separates a bishop from his Church because the Roman pontiff dissolves the bond between them by divine rather than by human authority, carefully considering the need and usefulness of each translation. The pope has this authority because he does not exercise the office of man, but of the true God on earth [non puri hominis, sed veri Dei].

http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/canon%20law/POPEBISHOPSChaptOne.htm

[oldzimm]

Think of it this way - how many Christians picture Jesus so mild and mannered that He has no problem with people worshiping other gods.

I understand what you are trying to get at in your OP, but I don't think many Christians see Jesus as being the same in his second coming.

Then again maybe Jesus might be the same, I remember reading a few times where he wasn't really mild mannered.

As an example:

Mark 11:15-17(KJV)

15And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

16And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.

17And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

In my own opinion, I think possibly Jesus will be the same, but we will be seeing more of the type of King that drove the moneychangers out of the temple. This time instead of driving out moneychangers, Jesus will be putting the hammer down on Satan for the last time and for all eternity. "Praise God"

[Guest shiloh357]

Think of it this way - how many Christians picture Jesus so mild and mannered that He has no problem with people worshiping other gods.

Ah, NOW I think I get it. People today have such a weak view of Jesus, they believe He will be returning as the gentle Jesus, meek and mild. They don't see the Messianic Kingdom for what it is: A Kingly Messianic reign that will be intolerant of sin, when Jesus rules from Israel with a rod of irong as it says in Scripture.

The liberal view of some Christians amounts to projecting their liberal tolerance of sin on to Jesus. They mistake the mercy and grace of Jesus as being an acceptance of not only sin, but they have universal view of salvation that allows for even those who believe in New Age, Buddhism, and other relgions to be on a legitimate path to God. Thus it allows for people to worlship other gods.

Am I following your train of thought?

[mizzdy]

Think of it this way - how many Christians picture Jesus so mild and mannered that He has no problem with people worshiping other gods.

Ah, NOW I think I get it. People today have such a weak view of Jesus, they believe He will be returning as the gentle Jesus, meek and mild. They don't see the Messianic Kingdom for what it is: A Kingly Messianic reign that will be intolerant of sin, when Jesus rules from Israel with a rod of irong as it says in Scripture.

The liberal view of some Christians amounts to projecting their liberal tolerance of sin on to Jesus. They mistake the mercy and grace of Jesus as being an acceptance of not only sin, but they have universal view of salvation that allows for even those who believe in New Age, Buddhism, and other relgions to be on a legitimate path to God. Thus it allows for people to worlship other gods.

Am I following your train of thought?

I did think of many in those liberal minded churches too. much of christianity doesnt want to accept that He will return with wrath instead of fluffy feelings of love and adoration. How often to we get those in come in say that Yeshua is not the same as that terrible God in the OT, that He wouldn't harm anyone since He is the loving God. As if there is more than one God! New agers cannot even begin to fathom the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob nor His plans.

[nebula]

Think of it this way - how many Christians picture Jesus so mild and mannered that He has no problem with people worshiping other gods.

Ah, NOW I think I get it. People today have such a weak view of Jesus, they believe He will be returning as the gentle Jesus, meek and mild. They don't see the Messianic Kingdom for what it is: A Kingly Messianic reign that will be intolerant of sin, when Jesus rules from Israel with a rod of irong as it says in Scripture.

The liberal view of some Christians amounts to projecting their liberal tolerance of sin on to Jesus. They mistake the mercy and grace of Jesus as being an acceptance of not only sin, but they have universal view of salvation that allows for even those who believe in New Age, Buddhism, and other relgions to be on a legitimate path to God. Thus it allows for people to worlship other gods.

Am I following your train of thought?

Yup!

[Matthitjah]

See, I was correct.

[nebula]

Yes you were, Dave!

[Matthitjah]

Yes you were, Dave!

LOL

That was only for Candices sake.

I run into many 'Christians' (I'm holding up fingers parenthetically) who believe that they have a complete understanding of the Lord, but they know nothing and haven't even read the Bible to find out whether what they believe is True or not. It's sad really. However, I have Hope for them because I was once like that myself. I pray for them. Meanwhile, it's clear that we have a job to do in expressing Christ in a lost culture that hasn't a clue who the Lord really is or what it means to have Faith in Him, let alone the consequences of sin.

That said, I'm not certain that the hard left Church has any desire to understand what the Bible really has to say about the Lord. I think they are lost in a deception and have recreated God in their own image. They have no desire to learn or to hear the Truth. In fact they are plunging headlong into Apostasy.

I have to seperate the culture from the Apostasy. Some are merely lost because they don't know the Truth and haven't bothered to look into it while the Apostate is busy ignoring the Truth because it's not convenient to their ideal of Righteousness.