Which City/Nation is Mystery Babylon?

[JohnD]

Daniel 9:24-27 all but screams the fact that the issue of good versus evil will be done in house (Israel).

Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[Bible2]

joi said in post #1:

I would be interested in hearing opinions on whether the USA is the Mystery Babylon mentioned in the Bible.

While the corrupt aspects of the USA (as well as of other countries) are certainly included in what the symbolic whore "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, she represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of the USA. For the USA just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is the USA the only place on the earth where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is the USA the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has the USA just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has the USA been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:7,9-10).

Nonetheless, the corrupt world-system represented by the "Babylon" in Revelation may currently be headquartered in Washington DC and New York City, insofar as Washington DC may currently be "the crowning city" (cf. Isaiah 23:8) of mankind's corrupt politics, the first leg of the corrupt world-system represented by "Babylon" (Revelation 17:18). And New York City may currently be "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics, the second leg of the corrupt world-system represented by "Babylon" (Revelation 18:11). "The crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, the third leg of the corrupt world-system represented by "Babylon" (Revelation 18:24), may currently be Jerusalem, as it was back in the first century (Matthew 23:35-38).

Ultimately, all three legs of the corrupt world-system represented by "Babylon" could become headquartered in the literal rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist could make the capital of the world during his 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7). He could build a central temple to himself (and Lucifer/Satan) there, for a temple will be built to wickedness in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

Tyre was "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics at one point in ancient times (Isaiah 23:8). God allowed the destruction of ancient Tyre as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isaiah 23:9). In the same way, would God allow the destruction of New York City and Washington DC by terrorist nuclear bombs, as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth"?

Also, the Bible teaches that, without repentance, what's sown is reaped (Galatians 6:7), and two nuclear bombs were sown by the U.S. against two major cities in Japan (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in order to terrorize Japan into surrender during World War II. So could the U.S. at some point in the future reap two terrorist nuclear bombs against two of its own major cities? Could the U.S. avoid this fate by publicly repenting before God and asking God and Japan for forgiveness for the U.S. intentionally targeting and murdering 150,000 innocent civilian men, women and children living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Could the 9/11 terrorists being allowed by God to intentionally target and murder 3,000 innocent civilian men, women and children in New York's Twin Towers and elsewhere in the U.S. have been just a warning to the U.S., a mere shot across its bow, to try to get the U.S. to repent for what it did to the two cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? But could the U.S. continue to refuse to repent for its nuclear terrorism against Japan, leaving the way open for nuclear terrorism against the U.S.?

New York City and Washington DC could be destroyed by terrorist nuclear bombs before the Antichrist even arises on the world stage. For there's someone currently keeping the Antichrist from taking over the world; it's only when this "restrainer" is taken out of the way that the Antichrist will be able to take over the world (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8a, Revelation 13:7). This restrainer could be a powerful angel like the one who will restrain Satan at the second coming of Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:1-3). The powerful angel restraining the Antichrist could be Michael the archangel, the angelic prince over Israel (Daniel 12:1, Daniel 10:21,13). At the same time, Michael could also currently be the angelic prince over the U.S., making sure that the U.S. supports Israel.

Part of Michael's being taken out of the way, just enough so as to allow the Antichrist to take over the world, could be God removing Michael's protection of the U.S., just enough to allow both New York City and Washington DC to be nuked by terrorists. This could happen shortly before or after the war of Revelation 6:4-8, and could weaken the U.S. not only by the destruction of its financial and political capitals, but also by the subsequent run on the U.S. dollar which could occur, rendering the U.S. dollar close to worthless in world markets. The U.S. government could then finally go bankrupt, unable to finance any longer its huge debt, economy and military. Its days as a superpower will be over, opening the way for the Antichrist to arise on the world stage and begin his takeover of the world (Revelation 13:7).

If New York City and Washington DC are attacked with nukes, will this really be the work of terrorists, such as Islamic jihadists? Or could the nuke-attack on the U.S. be merely a "false flag" operation, one presented to the world as an Islamic-jihadist attack, when in fact it will have been carefully stage-managed from behind the scenes by a powerful cabal, a worldwide secret society of Gnostic Luciferians, as part of their careful, step-by-step plan to prepare the way for the Antichrist (who is a Gnostic Luciferian: 1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4) to arise and take over the world?

Could the Gnostic Luciferian cabal secretly train and equip some Islamic-jihadist group in Pakistan with two nukes and the means to get them into the U.S. and detonate them in New York City and Washington DC? For example, could the two nukes be secretly built in North Korea, secretly sold to Iran, secretly delivered to Iran via a plane crossing China, secretly handed off by Iran to the cabal's Islamic-jihadist group in Pakistan, secretly boated over to Thailand, and then secretly brought into the U.S. via two shipping containers from Thailand into the Port Newark, New Jersey Container Terminal?

Could the two shipping containers have been lined with enough lead so as to thwart any radiation-detectors at the Terminal? And could these shipping containers have been filled mostly with tile, kitty litter, or bananas, which give off a natural radiation, so that if the containers are opened up and checked by hand for radiation it will be thought that the radiation is just from the tile, kitty litter, or bananas, and not from nuclear bombs packed inside lead sarcophagi hidden in the center of the containers?

Could both containers in this way get past U.S. inspection? (And could the cabal also be careful to have its own hand-picked and extremely-well bribed and blackmailed inspectors on duty when the containers are passing through U.S. inspection, to make sure that the containers aren't among the relatively few which get scanned by x-rays?)

After passing inspection, could one of the containers then be trucked to a New Jersey warehouse, where the nuke will be extracted and placed into a smaller, lead-lined, tile-filled delivery truck, which will then be driven into the very heart of Manhattan, where the nuke will be detonated? And could the other container be trucked to an Alexandria, Virginia warehouse, where the nuke will be extracted and placed into a large SUV? Could the SUV then drive to a small, local airport in northern Virginia, where the nuke will be loaded in the dead of night onto a small, private jet? Could the jet then fly in the dead of night over the very heart of Washington DC, where the nuke will be detonated?

(And even besides this, could a third nuke-containing shipping container from Thailand end up in a vast shipping-container lot in the Port of Long Beach, California, right next to Los Angeles? And could the cabal not even bother to have the nuke extracted and driven into or flown over downtown L.A., but simply have the nuke detonated right there in Long Beach harbor, so that it completely destroys the major west coast port of the U.S., and wipes out much of hugely-populated Los Angeles and Orange Counties? And could the "Islamic terrorists" claim that they nuked L.A. because it contains Hollywood, and contains the San Fernando Valley, a center for pornographic video production, so that L.A. has contributed greatly to the corrupt entertainment culture that dominates the world today, even in Islamic countries behind closed doors?)

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Regarding Jerusalem getting destroyed, it may not be until the very end of the coming tribulation of Matthew 24/Revelation chapters 6-18, and at the second coming of Jesus, that the entire city of Jerusalem will be destroyed (Luke 19:44). For at the very end of the coming tribulation the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the armies of the world will attack and pillage Jerusalem, right before the second coming (Zechariah 14:2-21), and at the second coming there will be tremendous earth changes which will occur in the immediate vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all the man-made structures in Jerusalem, including the third Jewish temple (which will be built), and the Western Wall (also called the Wailing Wall), being completely broken down so that not one stone will be left upon another throughout Jerusalem (Luke 19:44).

Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem in righteousness and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4) during his 1,000-year physical reign on the earth with the just-resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

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The symbolic whore "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11) and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The ten kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire all that "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17a) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19; cf. Isaiah 14:17), possibly with nukes (and possibly with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the seventh vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17b) of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before Jesus Christ's second coming from heaven (Revelation 19:2-20:3, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Satan/Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12,17), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

But how could Lucifer possibly convince the ten kings to burn up their own world? How could he convince them to "hate the whore" (Revelation 17:16) when she represents their very own world-system? What Lucifer could do is revert to the ancient lies of Gnosticism, an ancient religious movement which says that everything material is utterly evil, while only that which is pure spirit is good. Gnosticism teaches the lie that all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in heaven, the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the Creator of the material universe and all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering in fleshly bodies and in the material universe.

Gnosticism became the main enemy of the early church, just as it will become the main enemy of the end-time church during the coming tribulation. For the Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ himself isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

So near the end of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before the second coming of Jesus in Revelation 19:7-21, what Lucifer could do is say to the Antichrist and the ten kings something like: "The great battle of humanity against YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, cf. Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so humanity will finally be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this evil material universe, and return to the Pleroma. So let us completely destroy this awful prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, completely burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up everything, all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break every chain of attachment to this vile material realm, that we might more freely ascend back into our rightful place in the Pleroma".

Of course this will be a total lie. For at his second coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the armies of the world, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, cf. Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20:1-6). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1).

And then God himself will come down out of the third heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-4). For there's nothing evil in itself about God's material creation. What he's created was created very good (cf. Genesis 1:31). And Jesus, God himself, became flesh (John 1:1,14), and remains flesh even after his resurrection into immortality as a man (Luke 24:39). And Jesus remaining wholly without sin even in the flesh (Hebrews 4:15) proves that there's nothing evil in itself about matter.

[Leonard]

1. Where does the Bible tell us 'satan's seat' is?

2. Mecca has since time immemorial been known in that part of the world as 'The City of the Seven Hills;' those 7 hills being marched around every year at the great Hajj.

[Guest]

1. Where does the Bible tell us 'satan's seat' is?

2. Mecca has since time immemorial been known in that part of the world as 'The City of the Seven Hills;' those 7 hills being marched around every year at the great Hajj....

1. Satan's Seat

Was In Pergamos

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Revelation 2:12-13

It Is Now In Berlin, Germany

“Another charismatic young politician mesmerizes huge German crowds with a rousing speech in Berlin. Barack Hussein Obama does something no American presidential candidate has ever done, which is give a major foreign policy speech abroad.

Adoring youthful crowds, representing much of Europe, listen raptly as he says, well – nothing. But he does it so well.”

An announcer on German television said: “You have just heard from the next President of the United States of America, and the future President of the world.”

So did Barack Hussein Obama visit the Museum of the Great Alter of Zeus in Berlin while he was there? You bet he did.

http://mysteryofthei...-seat-on-earth/

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2. Mecca

Mecca is a city in the South West part of the present Saudi Arabia, not far away from the Red sea.

Centuries before the rise of Islam, Mecca was serving as the main religious, cultural and commercial center for all of the Arabic tribes.

An amazing detail about the city is that it is surrounded by seven hills.

http://therefinersfire.org/mecca.htm

[mizzdy]

1. Where does the Bible tell us 'satan's seat' is?

2. Mecca has since time immemorial been known in that part of the world as 'The City of the Seven Hills;' those 7 hills being marched around every year at the great Hajj.

When it was stated in the bible it was not mecca, mecca was not even a concept at that time, the seat was in Pergamos in Turkey. Whatever 'country or nation' that holds power and sway over the people can be attributed 'the seat of satan', any entity that wishes to control and turn peoples hearts and minds away from God can be considered the seat of satan. There are actually 7 hills in Turkey also just as there is in Rome and in Saudi Arabia.

[Guest]

1. Where does the Bible tell us 'satan's seat' is?

2. Mecca has since time immemorial been known in that part of the world as 'The City of the Seven Hills;' those 7 hills being marched around every year at the great Hajj.

When it was stated in the bible it was not mecca, mecca was not even a concept at that time, the seat was in Pergamos in Turkey. Whatever 'country or nation' that holds power and sway over the people can be attributed 'the seat of satan', any entity that wishes to control and turn peoples hearts and minds away from God can be considered the seat of satan. There are actually 7 hills in Turkey also just as there is in Rome and in Saudi Arabia.

Amen~!

Babylon Will Show Herself (Soon?)

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Ephesians 5:16

[JohnD]

Galatians 4 (KJV)

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.

19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Revelation 21 (KJV)

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Temple Mount Jerusalem Israel

[JohnD]

Revelation 17 (KJV)

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

They hate the whore yet give all their power to the beast she rides.

The only way the beast can be both seventh and eighth is that he is killed and raised from the dead. Think of it like the Presidency. A man cannot be both the 42nd and 43rd President even if reelected. He has to sit out one or more terms to be the 42nd and 44th or 45th President. Same way with the 7th and 8th and to be of the 7 it means he has to die and be raised from death.

The whore shall be declared the true religion of the world and then there will be a global assault on those who believe in Jesus.When the last Christian is believed to be gone the beast will declare himself to be God in the flesh and will renege on his covenant with the religion he had affirmed as the one true religion... the ten kings hate that religion... and when the beast reneges his affirmation of it the ten kings will try to do to them what the world did to the Christians. Which but Judaism could that religion be?

And how else could the beast fool the Jewish people up until that point?

The whore sits on the many waters of peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues.

Zechariah 8:32 (KJV)

23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He shall confirm THE covenant with the rabbiym (is what the Hebrew says).

It will be the misuse of the Old Covenant to affirm the false messiah in place of the true Messiah

[JohnD]

1. Where does the Bible tell us 'satan's seat' is?

2. Mecca has since time immemorial been known in that part of the world as 'The City of the Seven Hills;' those 7 hills being marched around every year at the great Hajj.

When it was stated in the bible it was not mecca, mecca was not even a concept at that time, the seat was in Pergamos in Turkey. Whatever 'country or nation' that holds power and sway over the people can be attributed 'the seat of satan', any entity that wishes to control and turn peoples hearts and minds away from God can be considered the seat of satan. There are actually 7 hills in Turkey also just as there is in Rome and in Saudi Arabia.

True. This is the seat of satan in revelation (arcropolis Bergama Turkey (ancient Pergamon):

And this is mecca.

[joi]

Something else to consider:

The Most Significant Gentile Nation in the Bible

By Ernest L. Martin, Ph.D., 1997

Transcribed and edited by David Sielaff, July 2006

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p060701.htm

Who Are They?

Who are these people who represent the most significant Gentile nation as far as Israel is concerned, the most significant in the entirety of the Bible as far as not being part of Israel. It happens to be the Edomites, the descendants of Esau.

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From Dr. Martin’s audiotape Obadiah and Modern Prophecy:

“Edom’s descendants were very interested in mercantilism and commerce. They established commerce from Palestine and from Egypt into India and the east in ancient times. The descendants of Edom … looked at the Mediterranean Sea and saw that they also needed to have ships there for commerce. There is clear evidence that the people who first established and inhabited the city of Tyre, known in Old Testament times for its mercantile and commercial enterprises, and where the Phoenicians had their origin, were the people of Edom. The ancient Jews knew this. In fact, the early inhabitants of Tyre were people who came from the Dead Sea region, where Edom settled. They established the city of Tyre and the city of Sidon and other cities along the Mediterranean coast to trade in the Mediterranean. They then went out through the pillars of Hercules (what we call the Straights of Gibraltar today), even into the Atlantic Ocean, around Africa and even into the new world. They were known as the Phoenicians. The word “Phoinos,” by the way, in Greek means “red.” They are connected with the twin brother to Israel named Edom.”