A Situation Question

[Waiting2BwithHim]

We know that Christians are to be against same sex marriage.

But what does a Christian do if they may have a sibling that is gay.

If the gay sibling who will not turn away from this is in trouble one day

what does the Christian sibling do for this other sibling?

If we help the gay sibling is that almost being borderline that you accept this idea?

And how does the Christian sibling not help when it is family?

[gdemoss]

We know that Christians are to be against same sex marriage.

But what does a Christian do if they may have a sibling that is gay.

If the gay sibling who will not turn away from this is in trouble one day

what does the Christian sibling do for this other sibling?

If we help the gay sibling is that almost being borderline that you accept this idea?

And how does the Christian sibling not help when it is family?

What to do if I have a gay sibling?

Treat him/her as any other unrepentant sinner is to be treated according to biblical standards.

What do I do to help if they are in trouble? Same as I would for anyone who was an enemy of God, I would love them.

Loving your enemies by giving them what they need is being like God our Father who provides rain from heaven for all.

Giving/helping those who have needs is quite different than fellowshipping with them.

Gary

[childeye]

Show me where we're supposed to be against same sex marriage. I resent being put in a situation that invalidates the definition of marriage. Are we supposed to be against gays? Well Jesus said Love your enemies. Are we supposed to be against divorce, etc,etc,etc... I do believe when we are to hate sin, it is our own sin we are supposed to be looking at, not others. That's why the prostitute entered in ahead of the Pharisees even though her sins were greater.

[mizzdy]

I do agree with Gary here, love him. You do not have to condone nor condemn his choices nor do you need to permit that choice in your home. We are to love the sinners while praying for them to come to Him, we can have family meals, we can share laughter with them but we should always stand up for what He says is true and right. I have dealt with this myself so I know a bit about what your feeling and going through, its hard not to stand up and scream how wrong it is in His eyes, its hard not to want that person to change and come to know our Creator. Just accept that your sibling is lost and confused, lost in their sins.

shalom,

Mizz

[taylor30]

Show me where we're supposed to be against same sex marriage. I resent being put in a situation that invalidates the definition of marriage. Are we supposed to be against gays? Well Jesus said Love your enemies. Are we supposed to be against divorce, etc,etc,etc... I do believe when we are to hate sin, it is our own sin we are supposed to be looking at, not others. That's why the prostitute entered in ahead of the Pharisees even though her sins were greater.

Have you read the bible? It says dozens of times that it is an abomination for men to be with men. Do you honestly believe Jesus would be marching in a Gay pride parade today? Jeus CONSTANTLY called people out on their sins. We are NOT supposed to be against people, BUT WE ARE supposed to be against sin and any idea that goes against God. Yes, we are also supposed to be against divorce. Read Malachi 2:16. The reason the prostitute entered BEFORE the Pharisees was because she REPENTED and the Pharisees didn't. It had nothing to do with their sin, it had to do with HER repentance.

[taylor30]

We know that Christians are to be against same sex marriage.

But what does a Christian do if they may have a sibling that is gay.

If the gay sibling who will not turn away from this is in trouble one day

what does the Christian sibling do for this other sibling?

If we help the gay sibling is that almost being borderline that you accept this idea?

And how does the Christian sibling not help when it is family?

Jesus must be our example. How did he treat people? He never asked them if they planned to repent before he helped them. He helped lost and saved alike without any type of discrimination. Therefore we SHOULD help ANYONE, family or not, regardless of their sins or standing before God. YES, help your gay sibling, especially since you may be the only christian that shows him ANY form of love, and even might be the vessel God uses to bring him to salvation. Offer any help you can, HOWEVER your help must not be sinful or condone his actions and lifestyle.

[enoob57]

Show me where we're supposed to be against same sex marriage. I resent being put in a situation that invalidates the definition of marriage. Are we supposed to be against gays? Well Jesus said Love your enemies. Are we supposed to be against divorce, etc,etc,etc... I do believe when we are to hate sin, it is our own sin we are supposed to be looking at, not others. That's why the prostitute entered in ahead of the Pharisees even though her sins were greater.

Yes we are to be against homosexuality as an abomination and God's hatred for it's practice , presence, ...and how He will pour contempt upon them by their very direction and end

Rom 1:27-32

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them

NKJV

However I can love them and do for them to show them that I love them ... so ... that they may know that they are not their sin but can repent and turn from it to a life in Christ upon which time they will begin to cease their desire of sin and desire to be obedient to Christ!

I also am made able to tell them to their face that I hate the sin they practice and my hope is in God Who one day shall deliver me forever from its presence...

How ever if I were you by the indignation of the first portion of your post study carefully vs:32 above...

The prostitute entered into life because she realized her already destroyed life of sin and recognized Christ Jesus offer of His Own which was perfect to be placed over her own... The Pharisee's were already righteous by their own standards and was in need of no covering! Love, Steven

Edited February 16, 2012 by ~candice~
edited to remove personal comments

[childeye]

Show me where we're supposed to be against same sex marriage. I resent being put in a situation that invalidates the definition of marriage. Are we supposed to be against gays? Well Jesus said Love your enemies. Are we supposed to be against divorce, etc,etc,etc... I do believe when we are to hate sin, it is our own sin we are supposed to be looking at, not others. That's why the prostitute entered in ahead of the Pharisees even though her sins were greater.

Have you read the bible? It says dozens of times that it is an abomination for men to be with men. Do you honestly believe Jesus would be marching in a Gay pride parade today? Jeus CONSTANTLY called people out on their sins. We are NOT supposed to be against people, BUT WE ARE supposed to be against sin and any idea that goes against God. Yes, we are also supposed to be against divorce. Read Malachi 2:16. The reason the prostitute entered BEFORE the Pharisees was because she REPENTED and the Pharisees didn't. It had nothing to do with their sin, it had to do with HER repentance.

"Peace". Please let's not get ridiculous by inferring I think Jesus would be seen marching in a gay pride parade. We know he is against all pride. Yes I have read the bible. I am aware it is an abomination for men to lay with men. But I am also aware that God gave men over to the lusts of their flesh because they did not esteem God as God and therefore I have no right to judge others.

Romans 1:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 2

1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

[childeye]

Yes we are to be against homosexuality as an abomination and God's hatred for it's practice , presence, ...and how He will pour contempt upon them by their very direction and end

Rom 1:27-32

Actually the scripture says God gave men over to become abominations as a punishment for having a corrupt image of god.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them

See the bold type? As a punishment for not wanting to retain God in their knowledge God gave them reprobate minds. Moreover you left out the conclusion of all of this scripture, which is why you are misapplying and misinterpreting the rest.

Romans 2

1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

However I can love them and do for them to show them that I love them ... so ... that they may know that they are not their sin but can repent and turn from it to a life in Christ upon which time they will begin to cease their desire of sin and desire to be obedient to Christ!

Yes that is true as long as you recognize what the cause of the sin is as the scriptures you provided show. Changing the glory of God into a corrupt image and not wanting to retain God in their knowledge.

I also am made able to tell them to their face that I hate the sin they practice and my hope is in God Who one day shall deliver me forever from its presence...

Anyone can say that about someone elses sin, but remove the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

How ever if I were you by the indignation of the first portion of your post study carefully vs:32 above...

The prostitute entered into life because she realized her already destroyed life of sin and recognized Christ Jesus offer of His Own which was perfect to be placed over her own... The Pharisee's were already righteous by their own standards and was in need of no covering! Love, Steven

Your commentary is only partially right. Let's not add what's not there. For instance how would she recognize Christ's offer of his own, when no one but himself knew he was going to sacrifice himself? She believed he was the Christ and she sought forgiveness that is enough to be certain of. She certainly wasn't expressing her hatred of everyone elses sin but her own.

Edited February 16, 2012 by ~candice~
edited to remove personal comments

[ears]

Yes, God loves us but hates our sins, yet if we die in our sins we will be apart from him. Accepting our siblings is one thing, accepting their sins is completely different. Love and help each one when needed so as to better share our Lord with them. Praying for this situation Waiting2BwithHim.