Can Women Lead The Flock?

[enoob57]

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,

for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete,

thoroughly equipped for every good work.

NKJV

Axe are you in the camp of believers that believe new revelation is coming through the church nullifying

Scriptures now set in place? Love, Steven

To whom is this addressed?

floatingaxe

[enoob57]

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,

for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete,

thoroughly equipped for every good work.

NKJV

Axe are you in the camp of believers that believe new revelation is coming through the church nullifying

Scriptures now set in place? Love, Steven

What new revelation would that be? There is nothing new. There is yet so much in scripture that many believers have yet to have revelation about, but their traditions and errant teachers block them.

1 John 1:8-10

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

NKJV

[~candice~]

Perhaps this side issue deserves it's own topic. Regardless, please mind the p's and q's.

[Floatingaxe]

Yes, occasionally, but sin has no power over me any more because I am of the Kingdom of Light, not darkness. So, unlike yourself, my speech attests to the positive, rather than the negative. Satan loves to get his digs in, trying to remind Christians that they still sin, when God doesn't do that. I am not pulled in that direction.

Your words are contradictory. If sin no longer has any power over you, then you would no longer sin at all. Period. To say that we, even as Children of Christ, who have imputed righteousness through Christ, still sin is not, as you try and put it "negative." It is simply the reality of the here and now. As flawed, fallen human beings, we are unable to obtain literal perfection in this life. That is not negative, it is simply fact which the Bible itself says. No one is saying God reminds us we sin. We sin still. It is fact. If sin had no power over us, we would not sin. Our sin is erased by the blood of Christ and made to no effect on our reflected righteousness, but it still occurs. To refuse to come to grips with that is to pretend that it does not exist. The positive is that God forgives that sin and sees it no longer.

My words align with the truth of God's word. There is no argument against the truth that the power of sin and death is broken by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Romans 6:6-11

We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. 7 For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. 8 And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him. 9 We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God. 11 So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.

It is up to you as believers to take this to heart and to consider yourselves as advised by Paul above---and correct your speech accordingly to line up with God's word, rather than the traditional error that most Christians make. Christians everywhere need to take a real look at their speech and what they confess, because a lot of stuff that comes out of their mouths contradicts the word of God and smudges the witness we have before the world. We are no longer sinners, but living saints of God in this world.

[Guest]

Holy Spirit convicts me when I sin, but God isn't perched over me reminding me that I still sin. He sees me as already perfected, by the filter of the blood of Jesus....

God also sees you as one who is righteous in Christ, but who also sins (1Jn 1:8). Why do you need to minimize the Word of God?....

Yes

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2:17-18

Indeed

Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21

[Floatingaxe]

Holy Spirit convicts me when I sin, but God isn't perched over me reminding me that I still sin. He sees me as already perfected, by the filter of the blood of Jesus....

God also sees you as one who is righteous in Christ, but who also sins (1Jn 1:8). Why do you need to minimize the Word of God?....

Yes

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2:17-18

Indeed

Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21

Amen, brother!

[~candice~]

Showing that females can prophesy doesn't imply they are able to lead the flock, as the OP is about. Not sure how we got down this rabbit hole? Prophecy can be foreknowing or forthtelling, neither implies being the chief overseer of a church.

[Guest]

Showing that females can prophesy doesn't imply they are able to lead the flock, as the OP is about. Not sure how we got down this rabbit hole? Prophecy can be foreknowing or forthtelling, neither implies being the chief overseer of a church....

To Prophesy Is To Speak The Words Of God That God Gives You

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Matthew 10:27

And Then There Is The Body Of Christ

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

For the body is not one member, but many.

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

And if they were all one member, where were the body?

But now are they many members, yet but one body.

And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:

That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. 1 Corinthians 12:3-31

[enoob57]

Showing that females can prophesy doesn't imply they are able to lead the flock, as the OP is about. Not sure how we got down this rabbit hole? Prophecy can be foreknowing or forthtelling, neither implies being the chief overseer of a church.

It's a big one to Andy but as you have seen I have

caught it and I will luv it, and hold it and pet it

and eat for months on it....

[mizzdy]

just throwing out a question here, because i skipped from page four to this last page....

to the person who said that there was a reason women are not supposed to preach/teach, that reason being that women were the first to be deceived...

are you seriously trying to imply that a man's preaching is infallible

Is that what the Word of God states in 1Ti 2:12-15?

no. God's word does not in any way state that

If Scripture does not state that in 1Ti 2:12-15, which is the the topic of discussion,

why would you ask that unrelated question.

The first woman, Eve was deceived. The passage isn't implying that all women are easily deceived and men can't be deceived. At the same time, the original sin caused lasting effects on mankind. Because the first woman Eve was deceived, and Adam submitted to her in eating of the forbidden fruit, the passage tells me women are to be in subjection to their husbands, and are not to be the spiritual leaders in the home. That is why the man is to rule over the woman, his wife. I am taking this passage to mean in the home because it goes hand in hand with what happened to Adam and Eve, and that was dealing with the marriage, not ministry. If we are to take this to mean in the church, then it would mean that because Eve was deceived in the garden, and the man submitted to her will in disobeying God, women aren't to lead the church. Again, it is not saying that all women are easily deceived and men can't be deceived. We know that is not the case.

Coming into this late sorry for that. I wanted to address the idea that Eve was decieved, she was told by Adam, who actually added to Gods word by telling her she would die, implying she would die immediately. The serpent comes around holding this apple, ok I dont know he did that but its a great visual lol, and he doesnt die! Eve eats and she doesnt die! She goes to Adam he looks at it and knows he shouldnt but decides to go against God words, he made the decision and was not forced to do it. Adam submitted to his own reasoning, not Eve's. Eve may have been deceived but it was Adam who sinned and brought that upon the world. Suggesting the reason Paulstates what he does because of Eve is very far reaching and not supported by scriptures.

shalom,

Mizz