He who does what is sinful is of the devil.

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People ask yourselves; can one truly be following Jesus if one sins? Remember a Christian walks as Jesus walked.

A sinner will never enter the kingdom of God, because a sinner is of the devil.

(Galatians 5:16)“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

Thankful, you might have missed this question that was asked you in response to your comments about metaphors:

So when Jesus said, "if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off," You believe that Jesus was telling us to mutilate our body when we sin??

What do you think, Thankful??? Was Jesus telling us to mutilate our bodies by literally cutting off our hand if we sin?

Jesus was telling us just how important it is not to sin. Yes if there was the slightest chance that my eye would cause me to sin, and not be able to enter the kingdom of God, I would have my eye taken out.

Now Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit/grace so we could make sure that Satan/sin could never have its way with us.

You didn't answer the question. I did not ask you if you would take your eye out I asked you if Jesus' remarks about cutting off your hand meant that Jesus in fact expects us to mutilate ourselves in that way if we sin. In other words, are we sinning today by not cutting off our hands if we sin?? Was Jesus' command meant to promote self mutiliation or was that manner of speaking meant to communicate a bigger point?

Did I ever say Jesus did not use hyperbole to make a point? Read what I said. It does not take a brain surgeon to understand to know when Jesus did use hyperbole.

People try to twist the bible by saying Jesus was using hyperbole when he was not.

Actually Jesus was using metaphorical language, not hyperbole, but whatever. The point is that when other people point out the flaws in your bizarre theoogy, you complain that they are twisting God's word with things like the Greek language or metaphors or hyperbole. Yet what I see is a selective approach to that. The original Greek doesn't support a lot of the claims you are making.

You are taking a face-value hyper-literal approach to the text (in a very selective way) and you are ignoring things like Greek, hyper-bole, metaphorcal language when they don't work in your favor, but are wiling to accept them when it comes to a text that you can't justify your wrong-headed apporach to Scripture.

Tell me this... When Paul harbored unforgiveness toward John Mark was that a sin? Did that sin prove that Paul did not belong to Jesus?

Sinners need to believe everyone sins; this is their excuse for his or her failures to live God’s Word. Making Paul and Peter’s actions as sins is just an escape mechanism for taking responsibility for one’s actions. Sin is evil, and sinners are evil/are of the devil.

One time Jesus had me tell a large room filled with pastors of many different denominations that they did not love Jesus. Most of these Pastors knew that I was a prophet. These ministers where praying saying how much they loved Jesus. Jesus told me no they did not love him. Jesus then gave me scripture to read to them. These verses explained to them; that to love God one needs to live his Word.

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

Peter tells us that one needs to be holy. That takes love and love is work.

(1 Peter 1: 14-19) “Like obedient children, do not act in compliance with the desires of your former ignorance but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, "Be holy because I (am) holy."

Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one's works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, realizing that you were ransomed from your futile conduct, handed on by your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ as of a spotless unblemished lamb”.

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What people am I insulting? How am I insulting, is it by telling the truth?

You believe that people are flawed in their understanding. That is nothing more than a personal opinion from you, and so far, a totally bogus one.You are not the final word on anything and no one has to accept your word or your hermeneutics at face value. When you insult and belittle people, you are sinning, so there is nothing perfect about you.

You agreed to certain rules when you joined here, and I will repeat: You will obey them or there will be consequences.

If we did not believe each other to have a flawed understanding of God’s Word, there would be no discussion. Because we don’t see eye to eye is not insulting.

I have been told that what I say is nasty am I being insulted?

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Sinners need to believe everyone sins; this is their excuse for his or her failures to live God’s Word. Making Paul and Peter’s actions as sins is just an escape mechanism for taking responsibility for one’s actions. Sin is evil, and sinners are evil/are of the devil.

The Bible doesn't define a "sinner" as one who sins. It defines a "sinner" as one who doens't know Jesus. As for Paul, why can you just answer the question??? Is harboring unforgiveness a sin??? When Paul harbored unforgiveness toward John Mark, was that a sin and was Paul just a sinner according to the standard that YOU have erected in this thread??? Why can't you simply answer the question??

One time Jesus had me tell a large room filled with pastors of many different denominations that they did not love Jesus. Most of these Pastors knew that I was a prophet. These ministers where praying saying how much they loved Jesus. Jesus told me no they did not love him. Jesus then gave me scripture to read to them. These verses explained to them; that to love God one needs to live his Word.

You are not a prophet and Jesus is not in anyting you say. You need stop blaming your godless remarks on Jesus. It is a reproach to the Kingdom of God.

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

That is talking about a person who lives in habitual sin and was never transformed, never had a relationship with Jesus. It is not talking about a person comitting a solitary sin.

Peter tells us that one needs to be holy. That takes love and love is work.

The Holiness God demands, He also provides. That is the part that you don't seem to get. It is God who sanctifies and God who makes holy. It is an act of grace that He does within us. We live our lives in purity because of what has been done in us. That does not mean we will live flawlessly. The Bible never says that. What it says is that we have grace of God when we do mess up. It says we have an advocate in Chist when we do sin. The Bible never says that if you sin ONE time, you are of the devl. That is your heretical approach to Scripture.

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You all don’t even realize how much of scripture you need to discard, as not addressing us, in order to believe the lies taught to you by man/devil. Peter warned people about misreading Paul.

(2 Peter 3:15-16) “Think of our Lord’s patience as your opportunity to be saved: our brother Paul, who is so dear to us, told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that is his special gift. He always writes like this when he deals with this sort of subject, and this makes some points in his letter hard to understand; these are the points that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the rest of scripture a fatal thing for them to do.”

Yes, but this passage occurs in a context about the end times. Peter was talking about how some people had twisted the words of Paul regarding matters pertaining to the end of age. This is not about Paul's epistles in general, but only about the eschatological portions of his letters.

(1 Peter 1: 14-19) “Like obedient children, do not act in compliance with the desires of your former ignorance but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, "Be holy because I (am) holy." Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one's works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, realizing that you were ransomed from your futile conduct, handed on by your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ as of a spotless unblemished lamb”.

The problem with your theology is that it is entirely based on human performance. According to you, if a person commits a single sin, they are saved. You have a works based system wherein salvation is tied to peformance. It is also clear that you do not understand the role that grace plays.

Grace forgives inspite of flaws. Let me ask you this... What would you do if your car nsurance company only insured you when you didn't have an car accident? What if you caused a slight fender bender and your insurace company refused to pay and revoked your policy?? What good was the insurance if it isn't there to help you when you need it?

Grace isnt' for the perfect flawless people. Grace is there to pick you up when you sin.

Note the following;

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

(1Jn 2:1)

According to this verse, the ideal situation is that we do not sin, but IF we do, we have an advocate. It doesn't say that if we sin, we are no longer saved.

You do not know God and know nothing about His mercy or His grace. Your teachings are heretical to their core, as you deny basic tenets of Scritpure pertaining to God's essential character.

The Church did not accept your lack of work theology. It only gained any acceptance during the Reformation. You want to believe Jesus allowed his Church to go hundreds of years with false teaching? James tried to set straight some other people who miss read Paul’s letters. Peter warned people about such misunderstandings also.

(1 Peter 1: 14-19) “Like obedient children, do not act in compliance with the desires of your former ignorance but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, "Be holy because I (am) holy."

Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one's works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, realizing that you were ransomed from your futile conduct, handed on by your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ as of a spotless unblemished lamb”.

[Botz]

I don't honestly think there is further benefit in pursuing this subject in this manner...we are all sinners saved by grace and who

are considered righteous because we have been redeemed with the blood of the Lamb...and yet the dichotomy is that until the

day we drop off our perch we will sin in one way or another till we are clothed with immortality.

I am closing this thread as I believe it is unhelpful please do not resurrect a similar one in its place.

Cheers. Botz