He who does what is sinful is of the devil.

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I have had Jesus come to me and call me by name. I have heard Jesus audibly and have seen Jesus. Jesus is with me all day long, and every day. He is my God, and my Lord. Jesus has told me he is God, and the bible is his written Word.

I have had the same experiences. It doesn't make me any more blessed than any other believer. It's just one way that the Lord saw fit to bless me, personally. He is a personal God, after all. I wouldn't dream of capitalizing on a spiritual experience with my Father to lord it over others.

Jesus is with every believer all day every day. He is our God and Lord. Jesus tells us all that He is God and that the Bible is His written word.

That is garbage, and it is not scriptural.

Is it any more GARBAGE than your experience? Are you more special to God?

Tell me something how do you expierance Jesus? What has Jesus personally ever said to you? Has Jesus taught you any scripture, and if so share what he taught you? Do you walk in any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

I will not share my pearls with you, due to your self-fixation and the fact that anything I say is garbage to you. Yet we are supposed to sit at your feet in awe of what comes out of you, O anointed one.

Has God made his home in you, and if so how do you know? Remember God would never live in the same house as Satan. When one deliberately sins he or she are inviting Satan into them.

Jesus Christ has made His home in me, and when I sin, He corrects me. His words is there to do just that--He says so.

A temple of God is what a Christian is, and there is no sin in God’s temple.

That's right---even though we sin from time to time, God in His wonderful way, still considers us righteous. why? Because the blood of Jesus IS THAT POWERFUL! According to your way of thinking, Jesus' blood lacks power.

If some one is a temple of God, Satan/sin could not enter unless the owner of the temple allowed Satan in. That would be such a insult to God that:

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.”

By the way I know God is not leading you, because you admit to being a sinner.

(Galatians 5:16)“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.

God does lead me, and he doesn't consider me a sinner at all. Rather, He calls me His child. When I fail Him, as we all do, He lets me know about it gently, and brings me back to Himself with love and forgiveness...every time. That is how His grace works in His children.

A Christian will walk as Jesus walked. Ask yourself did

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I am curious as to your claims to have seen Jesus and heard him audibly. Having seen Jesus would make you an apostle and not just a prophet. When you first began speaking I thought there was some validity to what you were preaching but I have begun to wonder as I continue to read your subsequent posts and see how you handle each person you address. If you were following the same Jesus I am then I would expect your thoughts/actions to be somewhat in agreement with what Jesus teaches me outside of a difference in level of maturity in Christ maybe. The more you respond to others the more you come acrossed as belittling others instead of working toward godly edification. I am around these people everyday and I understand that many of them struggle with sin in their lives just as the disciples did who were with Christ. They need help understanding the 'why' and the 'how' about sin and it's exodus in their lives. Many are trapped in ideas that come from Satan that teach them that they cannot be like Christ in this life but that doesn't make them not genuine, but rather deceived by an untruth that has a lot of real life backing of evidence in our current church. What they need are men/women who have matured in their faith to come 'along side' of them and live out the gospel so that they cannot deny the power of the Word of God. To come into a foreign place declaring that your Gods personal prophet who has come to show them that everything they believe is 'garbage' and expect to be received is not sound thinking. To boldly declare the truth that a man can live without sin daily and walk as Jesus walked, then take the time to help them learn how to do it by walking it out among them is biblically appropriate. We are supposed to be known by our love for one another. Knowledge puffs up but charity edifies. I have not yet myself arrived at the place of being in the fullness of the maturity that is in Christ but am running the race with patience in hope that I am not so far off of that worthy goal of living selflessly as our Lord did having let go of everything in the world but the people I hope to take with me when I go.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

Gary, let me share some thing that I wrote to my son. You seem to be one who is troubled by the lack of spirituality/love that is shown in the Christian Church.

here is some of what needs to happen to a person to become a spiritual person.

There is a Spiritual walk that one needs to live, in order to be one with God. Being one with God means a person will not sin.

Scripture tells us that a person who knows God does not sin. If one sins he or she only knows of God, at best.

Becoming one with God

(Acts 2:38-39) “You must repent, Peter answered and every one of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise that was made is for you and your children, and for all those who are far away, for all those whom the Lord our God is calling to himself.”

Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are many, but just to name a few.

(1 Corinthians 12:27-30) “Now you together are Christ’s body; but each of you is a different part of it. In the Church, God has given the first place to apostles, the second to prophets, the third to teachers; after them, miracles, and after them the gift of healing; helpers, good leaders, those with many languages. Are all of them apostles, or all of them prophets, or all of them teachers? Do all speak strange languages, and all interpret them?”

The Holy Spirit/Jesus will begin to teach and give one the grace to live the whole Word of God.

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

The Holy Spirit needs to teach one, and until one becomes spiritual and knows God he or she is but an infant in Christ.

Paul explains this in the following verse.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”

A spiritual person will not deliberately commit a sin.

(Hebrews 10:26-27) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.

(1 Corinthians 3:16-16) “Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God, which you are, is holy”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

One who is a temple of God and deliberately commits a sin is lying to God/Holy Spirit. He or she has told God that they love him. When that person deliberately commits a sin he or she is telling God: no I love Satan.

If one deliberately commits sin he or she is making the temple of God unclean, it is no longer holy. It then can no longer be the temple of God. The temple of God becomes a temple of Satan.

(Acts 5:1-11) “There was another man, however, called Ananias.

The above verse is too long to include the whole verse.

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

(1 John 5:18) “ We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him”

(Romans 6:2-4) “How can we who died to sin yet live in it?

Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.”

(2 Corinthians 6:15-18) “What accord has Christ with Beliar? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said: "I will live with them and move among them, and I will be their God and they shall be my people. Therefore, come forth from them and be separate," says the Lord, "and touch nothing unclean; then I will receive you and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty."

(1 Corinthians 2:13-14) “Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. An unspiritual person is one who does not accept anything of the Spirit of God he sees it all as nonsense; it is beyond his understanding because it can only be understood by means of the Spirit.”

To maintain life in one he or she needs spiritual food.

(John 6:53-55) “How can this man give us his flesh to eat? They said. Jesus replied: ‘I tell you most solemnly, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you will not have life in you. Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him up on the last day.”

(1Cornithians 3:10-18) “ According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one's work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware whom it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

I will concede that what Paul is saying is if a person who is building on the foundation of Jesus, and his or her works fail the test, then he or she will still be saved, but will go through fire.

Hebrews even says there is no longer any sacrifice for such a person, there is only the dreadful prospect of judgment and the fiery wrath that devours one’s enemies. It does not say it will devour the person.

My understanding of the fiery wrath has been Hell, but Jesus is telling me that is not what it is.

The temple of God is destroyed, but not lost. It seems that God is going to give the corrupt builders another chance?

I hope this helps, and if you have any questions you know where I am.

Love you,

Dad

[Floatingaxe]

A Christian will walk as Jesus walked. Ask yourself did

This is exactly right. The path is narrow, however, and God is never taken aback when we falter. He is right there to encourage us and to pick us up, dust us off and tell us, "Come on, let's do it better this time!"

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It is not our works that earn us the kingdom of heaven. It is allowing the grace of God to keep us righteous, and sin free.

Grace does not keep us "sin free." The Bible does not teach that at all. Grace is for people who sin, not for people who don't sin. Grace is mercy in action. If a person is sinless, they dont' need either mercy or grace.

Sorry, but you are teaching false doctrine and blaming your false doctrine on Jesus makes you the antithesis of what you claim to be.

Read Romans eight. The only way for one to live a sinless life is to have the indwelling of God/Holy Spirit. Only through the grace given to one by the Holy Spirit can one defeat Satan/sin.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Think of what that verse says. Jesus came to abolish sin. John tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen Jesus no does he or she know Jesus.

One who knows Jesus does not sin. Anyone who knows of Jesus will still sin.

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It is not our works that earn us the kingdom of heaven. It is allowing the grace of God to keep us righteous, and sin free.

Grace does not keep us "sin free." The Bible does not teach that at all. Grace is for people who sin, not for people who don't sin. Grace is mercy in action. If a person is sinless, they dont' need either mercy or grace.

Sorry, but you are teaching false doctrine and blaming your false doctrine on Jesus makes you the antithesis of what you claim to be.

This is truth. For those who preach the false message that Christians never sin, they are not living in His reality, but one of their own making, and are in effect making themselves their own saviour.

Jesus is my Lord and God, and it is only through Jesus that I have defeated Satan/sin. No one can live a sinless life unless he or she has the indwelling of God.

There is no possisible that I could live without sinning unless it was through the power of God.

If one still sins then that persons does not have an indwelling of God.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him.' Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

[Guest shiloh357]

Read Romans eight. The only way for one to live a sinless life is to have the indwelling of God/Holy Spirit. Only through the grace given to one by the Holy Spirit can one defeat Satan/sin.

actually, what it says in Romans 8 is that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the witness that we are the children of God. Romans 8 says nothing about living a sinless life. It says that the righteousness of the law is fullfilled within us. Furthermore, Jesus has already defeated Satan. I don't need to defeat Satan. He was defeated 2000 years ago by Jesus. I walk in the victory that Jesus won FOR me. I don't need to re-fight a war that has already been won.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Think of what that verse says. Jesus came to abolish sin.

Yes, but that reality is not part of our experience. One thing you need to understand is that there is a difference between how the Bible speaks of "sin" in terms of our bondage to the dominion of sin (our sinful condition) and eradication of any possibilty of committing sin. "Sin" is still here on the earth. It is still part of the human experience, so it is not "abolished." Jesus came to abolish sin, but that reality will not be manifest until He returns and sets the world aright.

Romans 1:1-5:11 speaks of the sins we commit. Romans 5:12-8:39 speaks to the bondage of sin we are born into by default as human beings. God works from the inside out. He has set us free from the law of sin and death, but that does not automatically mean that we never, ever sin again as human beings. We all have personality flaws, and shortcomings and you are only fooling yourself if you think you have not sinned in the last year or whatever.

John tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen Jesus no does he or she know Jesus.

What John is saying when you exmaine the original Greek is that those who live in perpetual, habitual, ongoing sin have never known Jesus. He is not saying that if you sin ONE time, you have never known Jesus. You are completely misunderstanding John.

As Christians we cannot receive the false teachings and sloppy theology you are peddling on this board.

[gdemoss]

Have you ever considered the underlying Greek text? It gives more clarity to the understanding in 1 John on sin or lack thereof in a believers life. If you learn about Greek verbs 'voice, tense and mood' you can understand when it is referring to a single event or an ongoing one. I found the study interesting as the Holy Spirit led me to it and through it.

Gary

[Floatingaxe]

It is not our works that earn us the kingdom of heaven. It is allowing the grace of God to keep us righteous, and sin free.

Grace does not keep us "sin free." The Bible does not teach that at all. Grace is for people who sin, not for people who don't sin. Grace is mercy in action. If a person is sinless, they dont' need either mercy or grace.

Sorry, but you are teaching false doctrine and blaming your false doctrine on Jesus makes you the antithesis of what you claim to be.

Read Romans eight. The only way for one to live a sinless life is to have the indwelling of God/Holy Spirit. Only through the grace given to one by the Holy Spirit can one defeat Satan/sin.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Think of what that verse says. Jesus came to abolish sin. John tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen Jesus no does he or she know Jesus.

One who knows Jesus does not sin. Anyone who knows of Jesus will still sin.

We are not called to be sinless. Only Jesus was sinless. We are called to walk with Him and allow Him to lead us to become like Him. No one ever really makes it completely until we see Him face to face.

So, what I am seeing here is someone pushing his own brand of the gospel, based on a misapprehension of scripture and the language of scripture. What it does is harm to those who are babes in Christ and causes self-condemnation in other Christians who are easily swayed by it.

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Read Romans eight. The only way for one to live a sinless life is to have the indwelling of God/Holy Spirit. Only through the grace given to one by the Holy Spirit can one defeat Satan/sin.

actually, what it says in Romans 8 is that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the witness that we are the children of God. Romans 8 says nothing about living a sinless life. It says that the righteousness of the law is fullfilled within us. Furthermore, Jesus has already defeated Satan. I don't need to defeat Satan. He was defeated 2000 years ago by Jesus. I walk in the victory that Jesus won FOR me. I don't need to re-fight a war that has already been won.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Think of what that verse says. Jesus came to abolish sin.

Yes, but that reality is not part of our experience. One thing you need to understand is that there is a difference between how the Bible speaks of "sin" in terms of our bondage to the dominion of sin (our sinful condition) and eradication of any possibilty of committing sin. "Sin" is still here on the earth. It is still part of the human experience, so it is not "abolished." Jesus came to abolish sin, but that reality will not be manifest until He returns and sets the world aright.

Romans 1:1-5:11 speaks of the sins we commit. Romans 5:12-8:39 speaks to the bondage of sin we are born into by default as human beings. God works from the inside out. He has set us free from the law of sin and death, but that does not automatically mean that we never, ever sin again as human beings. We all have personality flaws, and shortcomings and you are only fooling yourself if you think you have not sinned in the last year or whatever.

John tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen Jesus no does he or she know Jesus.

What John is saying when you exmaine the original Greek is that those who live in perpetual, habitual, ongoing sin have never known Jesus. He is not saying that if you sin ONE time, you have never known Jesus. You are completely misunderstanding John.

As Christians we cannot receive the false teachings and sloppy theology you are peddling on this board.

You truly can’t see what is done to scripture to make it fit what you want to believe?

My job is just to give a word. I have given that word to you. I also give my witness that a Christian does not sin.

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Have you ever considered the underlying Greek text? It gives more clarity to the understanding in 1 John on sin or lack thereof in a believers life. If you learn about Greek verbs 'voice, tense and mood' you can understand when it is referring to a single event or an ongoing one. I found the study interesting as the Holy Spirit led me to it and through it.

Gary

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit. Sin is not a good fruit. Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

Tools to Twist Bible

I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

There are any numbers of translations of the bible, and all tend to slant the Word to read such as to verify one theology or another

Hyperbole is also used a lot. Jesus did not mean that it is just an exaggeration. Then people will go on and tell one what he really meant. Tell me how does anyone know unless Jesus told him or her? If Jesus told them he will tell us also right?

Metaphorically Is used much the same way as hyperbole, and the people who use this tool are of course the experts who can tell one just what Jesus meant. Wow they must be really intelligent, like us simple people can’t read, and understand.

Another tool often used is that part of the written Word is not talking to us. People don’t like what a letter is saying, so then if it is not speaking to them it can be ignored. They want us to believe that the bible is like our history books.

Separating our spirit from our bodies, as if one is not part of the other. This tool is used to make our actions not accountable. Our spirit don’t sin so only the body is held accountable. What is so unbelievable is many people buy into that garbage.

When certain people, one’s who can’t stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

After all these tools have been exposed as such, then the last tool is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the twisting tools.