A closer look at "baptizo" (to baptize)

[SoGrateful]

baptizo

-- to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

-- to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

-- to overwhelm

“Before the emergence of the holiness movement in the mid 19th century and Pentecostalism in the early 20th century,

most denominations believed that Christians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit either upon conversion and regeneration or through rites of Christian initiation. Since the growth and spread of Pentecostal and charismatic churches, however, the belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration has come into increasing prominence.”

… From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_with_the_Holy_Spirit

When the Holy Spirit comes UPON you, it’s like He envelopes, surrounds, overwhelms you (see baptizo above).

It’s like you are immersed in the Holy Spirit. It's like He comes all over you.

Here are 2 passages describing it:

“… you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

… you shall receive (spiritual) power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

and you shall be witnesses to Me … to the end of the earth.” (Acts 1:5,8)

“… the Holy Spirit fell upon them (the Gentiles), as upon us (the Jews) at the beginning.

Then I remember the word of the Lord, how He said,

‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

… God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 11:15-17)

This “gift” of Holy Spirit baptism is not salvation … it is this special baptism (an anointing) after salvation.

The above is much different than when one is born-again at the moment of salvation

… when the Holy Spirit ENTERS you and remains INSIDE you:

“And I (Jesus) will pray (to) the Father, and He will give you another Helper,

that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth

… you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” (John 14:16-17)

The Holy Spirit is INSIDE born-again Christians ...

John 14:17, Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Galatians 4:6, 2 Timothy 1:14, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:12-16.

I pray that you receive this as spiritual Truth, in Jesus' mighty name!

... for He desires that more of His children would be open to receiving this baptism.

Edited May 31, 2012 by SoGrateful

[deut31:12]

You are wrong. You were right though about baptism washing us by water. I will begin here -

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

As you see, there is only one baptism, but which one is that? There is one that we were actually commissioned to partake of and to exercise.

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

You see that even Jesus was baptized in water to set the example.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, we know that the baptism of the HS existed, but that was given to the Christians at that time so that they can carry on the spreading of the gospel, but what Jesus had commissioned the Apostles to do is to go into all the world baptizing and we know that no human can baptize people with the HS.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

The Apostles were baptizing with water, not the HS and there is only one baptism. There is more on this subject, but I will keep it short.

[OneLight]

You are wrong. You were right though about baptism washing us by water. I will begin here -

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

As you see, there is only one baptism, but which one is that? There is one that we were actually commissioned to partake of and to exercise.

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

You see that even Jesus was baptized in water to set the example.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, we know that the baptism of the HS existed, but that was given to the Christians at that time so that they can carry on the spreading of the gospel, but what Jesus had commissioned the Apostles to do is to go into all the world baptizing and we know that no human can baptize people with the HS.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

The Apostles were baptizing with water, not the HS and there is only one baptism. There is more on this subject, but I will keep it short.

Baptizing in water is what we do to others. Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is what God does to us.

Matthew 3:11

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

This is what SoGrateful is talking about.

[deut31:12]

I don't deny the scriptures, but what is being said is that the baptism that we now recieve is the baptism of the HS nd that is incorrect as the scripture states that there is only one baptism and that is the baptism that the Apostles were commissioned to to do and teach. Acts 2:38 states that we receive the HS after that baptism. The baptism that is being expressed by the OP is one that was done at that time to help spread the gospel, but we no longer receive.

[SoGrateful]

Hebrews 6:1-2

"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ,

let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation

of repentance from dead works and

of faith toward God,

of the doctrine of baptisms (plural),

of laying on of hands,

of resurrection of the dead, and

of eternal judgment."

Edited June 1, 2012 by SoGrateful

[OneLight]

I don't deny the scriptures, but what is being said is that the baptism that we now recieve is the baptism of the HS nd that is incorrect as the scripture states that there is only one baptism and that is the baptism that the Apostles were commissioned to to do and teach. Acts 2:38 states that we receive the HS after that baptism. The baptism that is being expressed by the OP is one that was done at that time to help spread the gospel, but we no longer receive.

What we were commissioned to do is only what we can do. We cannot baptize anyone in the Holy Spirit. That, my friend, comes from God and Him alone. Can you see this?

[nebula]

The baptism that is being expressed by the OP is one that was done at that time to help spread the gospel, but we no longer receive.

Is there a Scripture for this, that the Holy Spirit no longer falls upon us?

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Acts 8

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 13 Even Simon himself believed ; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19

1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed ?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized ?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7 There were in all about twelve men.

[SoGrateful]

That which is perfect that came has to be the completion of the NT. Possibly could not be anything else.

Most people these days are getting the revelation that this refers to the Second Coming of the Lord.

Meanwhile, the Lord has been using the power gifts (1 Cor 12) to confirm the truth of the gospel.

Edited June 2, 2012 by SoGrateful

[SoGrateful]

It's good to discuss one passage at a time ... here's one:

“… when they (Peter & John) had come down,

(they) prayed for them* that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

For as yet He (the Holy Spirit) had fallen upon none of them*.

They* had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Then they laid hands on them*, and they received the Holy Spirit.

And when Simon saw that through the laying on of hands the Holy Spirit was given,

he offered them money, saying, ‘Give me this power also,

that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’ ”

(Acts 8:14-19) * the Samarians

Edited June 2, 2012 by SoGrateful

[nebula]

Nebula:

Is there a Scripture for this, that the Holy Spirit no longer falls upon us?

(The person in your picture standing behind you does not appear to be well.)

LOL! He's my lab assistant. His job is to help students learn the skeletal system.

Paul said tongues shall cease.

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

2 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

That which is perfect that came has to be the completion of the NT. Possibly could not be anything else.

Firstly, that speaks nothing of the Holy Spirit falling on or infilling people.

Second, there is nothing in the passage to indicate the perfect being the completed canon of the NT.

Thirdly, have you noticed knowledge to have vanished?

Fourthly, how has the NT canonization eliminated the need for God's miracles?

So we are saved from believing what we can't see in the natural, or have to use faith.

Blessings.

I do not understand your reasoning. Faith is required whether there are miracles or not. Look at how many people rejected Jesus despite His miracles. The soldiers reporting back to the Pharisees et al about the resurrection didn't sway them, did it?