“The doctrine of baptisms” (Hebrews 6:1-2)

[Mila Friiele]

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but Ephesians 4:5 is a two-fold baptism. Firstly by the Spirit into the body.

Secondly, by water as a believer's confession of identification with Christ's death, burial and resurrection.

Hebrews 6:1,2 speak to the Old Testament doctrines.

Works that were at one time right, but because of the presence of Christ, they are no longer. They are dead.

Doctrine of baptisms speaks not to Christian baptism, but it refers to the ceremonial washings that were so prominent among the priests

...and the Israeli people. Hebrews 9:10 It compares the Old with the New, and how what was once acceptable without Christ, now is not, because of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

I really appreciate your post ... and, yes, I've heard this before.

However, there are obviously more than one baptism mentioned in the NT.

You might speak to the baptism with fire verses ... and the baptism with the Holy Spirit verses

in which the Spirit comes UPON people, which has nothing to do with salvation.

Yes, yes...the Holy Spirit is indeed "fire". That does actually make sense, though I've no scriptural proof to back me up. Okay, Matthew 21:25, speaks of baptism, not pertaining to salvation, rather to John's ministry. That's the only one I can come with at the moment.

As for baptism with "fire", I did find Matthew 3:11, stating that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a baptism of blessing, while the baptism with fire speaks of judgement. Luke 3:16 says pretty much the same thing. So it would seem that baptism with fire is for judgement.

But you are definitely right about there being more than one type of baptism. Especially the baptism with fire. That's a new one for me, so I did learn something. Go figure, lol.

[gdemoss]

Baptized with fire:

Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

The list goes on. If your Christian experience has been nothing but roses without trials of fire then:

Hbr 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Much can be said of the trials and testing that Gods children go though as he proves them.

Gary

[JohnD]

Ephesians 4:1-10 (KJV)

1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Luke 3:16 (KJV)

16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

[SoGrateful]

Yes, yes...the Holy Spirit is indeed "fire". That does actually make sense, though I've no scriptural proof to back me up. Okay, Matthew 21:25, speaks of baptism, not pertaining to salvation, rather to John's ministry. That's the only one I can come with at the moment.

As for baptism with "fire", I did find Matthew 3:11, stating that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a baptism of blessing, while the baptism with fire speaks of judgement. Luke 3:16 says pretty much the same thing. So it would seem that baptism with fire is for judgement.

But you are definitely right about there being more than one type of baptism. Especially the baptism with fire. That's a new one for me, so I did learn something. Go figure, lol.

Good, you're past the "only one baptism" nonsense.

Now you need to get a revelation of what "the baptism with the Holy Spirit" really is!

Hint: it's not the salvation baptism mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:13.

The info you need is in this thread ...

Edited June 24, 2012 by SoGrateful

[His_disciple3]

everyone that quotes Hebrews 6 and tries to start some doctrine out of Hebrews six always omits the most important Verse,

Hebrews 6:3

3 And this will we do, if God permit. KJV

the teacher of hebrews is teaching a what if Game here in scriptures, we will set aside these things if God permits, also one baptism is scriptural. One Lord, One faith, one Baptism. we are all baptized of the same Spirit, not all Christians have been water Baptized, nor will all christians be water baptized. but all will have received the baptism of the Spirit, by the Same Spirit, there were two baptisms in scripture, thus we get doctrines of Baptism. But Jesus, John the Baptist and Paul all taught that the water baptism was replaced by the Spirit baptism. Paul came upon some believers(Acts !9) that had the Baptism of John and Paul said they needed the other baptism of the Holy Spirit

Edited July 5, 2012 by His_disciple3

[gdemoss]

That which is natural/carnal comes first then that which is spiritual. Water baptism is a teaching tool to explain the the receiver what is necessary to receive that which is spiritual. After receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit one will also undergo a third baptism, one of fire/trial which purifies the one who believes.

Gary