Magog strikes again as father is ruled too fat to keep kids

[firestormx]

Are you willing to take your belief to the logical extreme? Unless you can show a tangible reason outside of "it's sinful" I can only assume you think Christians are the only ones who are fit parents.

Let me put this real simple for you. Anyone, and I mean anyone who teaches kids that doing things contray to GOD and The word of GOD is ok, has no bussiness rasing children.

Eph 6:4

And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

Edited July 2, 2012 by firestormx

[Oh Hamburgers!]

So basically your answer is 'yes' to the question "are Christians the only ones fit to raise children?".

You're entitled to your belief.

[firestormx]

So basically your answer is 'yes' to the question "are Christians the only ones fit to raise children?".

You're entitled to your belief.

LOL, There are some who claim that they are christians , yet believe and teach there kids things contray to GOD, of whom I would include in what I said. I see your not a believer. I understand you don't believe the things I do. But from my perspective, what GOD says is enough. I wasn't always a believer. So I understand you not holding the same belief. rasing children is one of the most important duties a person can have. i believe it should be done in a way consistant with the word of GOD and Christ.

[Bold Believer]

While not believers in Jesus, Jews and Mormons instruct their children in some sense of morality. To that end, they are fit parents. Atheists, while not believers in any god, might still raise their children in some sense of morality (even though they don't realize where said morality came from). To that end, they are fit parents.

Homosexuals are not fit because they pervert nature. They would pass such perversion down to their children, who might become like them.

Pedophiles are not fit for obvious reasons as well.

[MorningGlory]

Back to the topic....

What does this fellow do for income?

I know a person who is receiving disability payments from the government due to her obesity. The basis for this is that because of her physical condition, she is unable to do any form of work.

It takes work to raise children. I would hate to see a situation in which a child died because his/her parent was unable to get the child out of a house fire.

I hadn't thought of something like that but it's a valid point.

[Bold Believer]

While I understand what you're getting at Katy, that could happen to any parent, not just an obese one. And think of the poor firefighter who has to get an obese victim OUT of a burning house. Those are things that can't be foreseen.

Some people are overweight for reasons other than simply overeating. Should government take away their children as well? Anytime we give government permission for one thing, they will abuse it. Better for them to observe the three Ps and leave the rest to the family.

The Three P's of a righteous government:

Protect the people (military/police)

Promote righteousness (not evil)

Punish evil (Fairly and swiftly)

[Oh Hamburgers!]

LOL, There are some who claim that they are christians , yet believe and teach there kids things contray to GOD, of whom I would include in what I said. I see your not a believer. I understand you don't believe the things I do. But from my perspective, what GOD says is enough. I wasn't always a believer. So I understand you not holding the same belief. rasing children is one of the most important duties a person can have. i believe it should be done in a way consistant with the word of GOD and Christ.

I agree raising a child is one of the most important duties a person can have - I'm currently taking part in it.

We however are talking about what makes someone a fit or unfit parent - I understand that you believe that parenting should be bringing people up with Christian values. But does the lack of those values truly make someone an unfit parent/should they not be allowed to care for their child? That's what I've been trying to hone in on, and is the area that I disagree with you about.

I have argued that being morbidly obese to the point you can't provide for your child could be seen as making someone unfit. You and BoldBeliever have made the claim that being homosexual makes one unfit because they are not being consistent with God's teachings. My problem with that statement is it makes a lot of people (not just homosexuals) considered unfit parents because of religious viewpoints, something I think is wrong. I do not think the state (or anyone) should take children away from their parents because they are Jewish, or Muslim, or Atheist, or homosexual, or whatever.

I agree that tangible issues (abuse, neglect, threat of violence, etc) are all areas that justify deeming someone unfit as a parent... but I do not agree that someone should be unfit simply because they are gay or because they don't believe in a certain God.

While not believers in Jesus, Jews and Mormons instruct their children in some sense of morality. To that end, they are fit parents. Atheists, while not believers in any god, might still raise their children in some sense of morality (even though they don't realize where said morality came from). To that end, they are fit parents.

Homosexuals are not fit because they pervert nature. They would pass such perversion down to their children, who might become like them.

Pedophiles are not fit for obvious reasons as well.

To me that viewpoint seems inconsistent. Homosexuals have ONE aspect that you consider perverse, but it is enough for you to deem them unfit parents. Don't Jews and Mormons & nonbelievers also have at least ONE aspect in their beliefs that you believe goes against God's desires for us? I don't see what makes one acceptable and one not... for example it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a homosexual couple could raise their child with some sense of morality, just like non believers, or Jews, or Mormons, or anyone else.

In the same way, if you think that a problem with homosexuals raising children is they could "pass such perversion down to their children" is that not also true for Jews/Mormons/atheists? If Jewish parents pass their values on to a child is it not likely that those children will have a good chance of being Jewish too? Is that not also a "perversion" in your mind?

[Bold Believer]

LOL, There are some who claim that they are christians , yet believe and teach there kids things contray to GOD, of whom I would include in what I said. I see your not a believer. I understand you don't believe the things I do. But from my perspective, what GOD says is enough. I wasn't always a believer. So I understand you not holding the same belief. rasing children is one of the most important duties a person can have. i believe it should be done in a way consistant with the word of GOD and Christ.

I agree raising a child is one of the most important duties a person can have - I'm currently taking part in it.

We however are talking about what makes someone a fit or unfit parent - I understand that you believe that parenting should be bringing people up with Christian values. But does the lack of those values truly make someone an unfit parent/should they not be allowed to care for their child? That's what I've been trying to hone in on, and is the area that I disagree with you about.

I have argued that being morbidly obese to the point you can't provide for your child could be seen as making someone unfit. You and BoldBeliever have made the claim that being homosexual makes one unfit because they are not being consistent with God's teachings. My problem with that statement is it makes a lot of people (not just homosexuals) considered unfit parents because of religious viewpoints, something I think is wrong. I do not think the state (or anyone) should take children away from their parents because they are Jewish, or Muslim, or Atheist, or homosexual, or whatever.

I agree that tangible issues (abuse, neglect, threat of violence, etc) are all areas that justify deeming someone unfit as a parent... but I do not agree that someone should be unfit simply because they are gay or because they don't believe in a certain God.

While not believers in Jesus, Jews and Mormons instruct their children in some sense of morality. To that end, they are fit parents. Atheists, while not believers in any god, might still raise their children in some sense of morality (even though they don't realize where said morality came from). To that end, they are fit parents.

Homosexuals are not fit because they pervert nature. They would pass such perversion down to their children, who might become like them.

Pedophiles are not fit for obvious reasons as well.

To me that viewpoint seems inconsistent. Homosexuals have ONE aspect that you consider perverse, but it is enough for you to deem them unfit parents. Don't Jews and Mormons & nonbelievers also have at least ONE aspect in their beliefs that you believe goes against God's desires for us? I don't see what makes one acceptable and one not... for example it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a homosexual couple could raise their child with some sense of morality, just like non believers, or Jews, or Mormons, or anyone else.

In the same way, if you think that a problem with homosexuals raising children is they could "pass such perversion down to their children" is that not also true for Jews/Mormons/atheists? If Jewish parents pass their values on to a child is it not likely that those children will have a good chance of being Jewish too? Is that not also a "perversion" in your mind?

Being theologically incorrect is not perverse. Homosexuality is against nature and harmful to the mind and the body. You don't grasp the concept of 'perverse' from what I can read. I am CERTAINLY not going to describe to you what I mean by perverse in the case of homosexuality.

[firestormx]

We however are talking about what makes someone a fit or unfit parent - I understand that you believe that parenting should be bringing people up with Christian values. But does the lack of those values truly make someone an unfit parent/should they not be allowed to care for their child? That's what I've been trying to hone in on, and is the area that I disagree with you about.

I have argued that being morbidly obese to the point you can't provide for your child could be seen as making someone unfit. You and BoldBeliever have made the claim that being homosexual makes one unfit because they are not being consistent with God's teachings.

To me it's about more than the lack of values, It's about the relationship with Christ. I understand you disagree, but the lack of relationship with Christ, the lack of living by GOD's rules, by his standard and what he expects of us, only leads to perversion and death. Things like hatred, murder, theft, envy, unrestrained lust and passion or a lack of self-control if you will, all this stems from our own nature. the only cure is a relationship with christ as Lord and savior. If we don't live by 'those morals" as you put it, then no I don't think someone should raise children. By everything I hold dear, the Father, Yeshua and the Holy Spirit and his word, the thoughts and intents of our hearts are only evil continually apart from GOD and having a relationship with him.

Edited July 2, 2012 by firestormx

[Oh Hamburgers!]

LOL, There are some who claim that they are christians , yet believe and teach there kids things contray to GOD, of whom I would include in what I said. I see your not a believer. I understand you don't believe the things I do. But from my perspective, what GOD says is enough. I wasn't always a believer. So I understand you not holding the same belief. rasing children is one of the most important duties a person can have. i believe it should be done in a way consistant with the word of GOD and Christ.

I agree raising a child is one of the most important duties a person can have - I'm currently taking part in it.

We however are talking about what makes someone a fit or unfit parent - I understand that you believe that parenting should be bringing people up with Christian values. But does the lack of those values truly make someone an unfit parent/should they not be allowed to care for their child? That's what I've been trying to hone in on, and is the area that I disagree with you about.

I have argued that being morbidly obese to the point you can't provide for your child could be seen as making someone unfit. You and BoldBeliever have made the claim that being homosexual makes one unfit because they are not being consistent with God's teachings. My problem with that statement is it makes a lot of people (not just homosexuals) considered unfit parents because of religious viewpoints, something I think is wrong. I do not think the state (or anyone) should take children away from their parents because they are Jewish, or Muslim, or Atheist, or homosexual, or whatever.

I agree that tangible issues (abuse, neglect, threat of violence, etc) are all areas that justify deeming someone unfit as a parent... but I do not agree that someone should be unfit simply because they are gay or because they don't believe in a certain God.

While not believers in Jesus, Jews and Mormons instruct their children in some sense of morality. To that end, they are fit parents. Atheists, while not believers in any god, might still raise their children in some sense of morality (even though they don't realize where said morality came from). To that end, they are fit parents.

Homosexuals are not fit because they pervert nature. They would pass such perversion down to their children, who might become like them.

Pedophiles are not fit for obvious reasons as well.

To me that viewpoint seems inconsistent. Homosexuals have ONE aspect that you consider perverse, but it is enough for you to deem them unfit parents. Don't Jews and Mormons & nonbelievers also have at least ONE aspect in their beliefs that you believe goes against God's desires for us? I don't see what makes one acceptable and one not... for example it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a homosexual couple could raise their child with some sense of morality, just like non believers, or Jews, or Mormons, or anyone else.

In the same way, if you think that a problem with homosexuals raising children is they could "pass such perversion down to their children" is that not also true for Jews/Mormons/atheists? If Jewish parents pass their values on to a child is it not likely that those children will have a good chance of being Jewish too? Is that not also a "perversion" in your mind?

Being theologically incorrect is not perverse. Homosexuality is against nature and harmful to the mind and the body. You don't grasp the concept of 'perverse' from what I can read.

Actually homosexuality, bisexuality, same sex parenting etc is observable in nature among different types of animals. It's not something just humans have done. I also am not quite sure what you mean about homosexuality being harmful to the mind and the body, but I don't think that's necessarily true, or at least any more true than those in a heterosexual relationship.

I am CERTAINLY not going to describe to you what I mean by perverse in the case of homosexuality.

LOL! Thank you, a description is not necessary