Cognitive Dissonance

[firestormx]

No disrespect bro, but that is your personal vision. The Bible is plain about the return of Christ. Inter is a preterist. Perhaps

you should study up on it to be better informed.

You cannot prove something to another through your own personal experience...but I prob already mentioned that in my

meanderings through these threads

I am sure that Inter knows his Bible waaay better than many folk on here do...he interprets it differently regarding the timeline

Personal experiences are not the word of God and God does not give visions He has already perfectly explained through

the Apostle Paul, but I realize that is not your understanding. Lambasting people who do not understand the importance

of YOUR experience as it apples to the entire world is not helpful IMO

i respectfully disagree. A vision is something you have when you are wide awake. I was not awake, I was not asleep, I was dead! big difference

[Sevenseas]

We really, really need to stop expecting a rapture, because it is a dangerous shortcut in our thinking that makes us neglect what we can do in this world. We should have the mentality of Samwise at the end of THE TWO TOWERS about the old stories of people that didn't turn back:

YOUR interpretation is different and most Biblical scholars would disagree with it.

We should have the mind of CHRIST, not the mentality of a fictional character. The Lord of the Rings is not real

I figure people can discuss the rapture all the day long if they feel the need. I don't, personally...better to live for Christ

than speculate on when He is going to return and snatch me out of here

I am post trib.....which puts me in a place alot of people have difficulty with...I don't have the need to convince them I am

right

I do have a desire to correct the misinterpretation of God's word, such as using one verse to form an entire doctrine or

taking meaning for a personal opinion out of a partial text (because the entirety of it would not support the opinion)

etc.

What is important, is being right with God and walking in the Light

[Sevenseas]

i respectfully disagree. A vision is something you have when you are wide awake. I was not awake, I was not asleep, I was dead! big difference

I'm aware. But you have no Biblical support for that. You seriously do not. You can be asleep...awake...comotose...whatever..

I could list personal experiences on here too...maybe even more colorful...but I don't. I don't think they have a place here under anything

other than..."What do you make of this"?

I would never assume to try to force another to believe that my personal experience trumps Gods revealed word. That, is something

I had to learn the hard way and it is a lesson I don't care to repeat

No need to continue you disagree. My point is that I just really think it is out of place to believe others should feel the same way

you do.

I am sure we can all at least agree on what Scripture says. Thanks

[firestormx]

i respectfully disagree. A vision is something you have when you are wide awake. I was not awake, I was not asleep, I was dead! big difference

I'm aware. But you have no Biblical support for that. You seriously do not. You can be asleep...awake...comotose...whatever..

I could list personal experiences on here too...maybe even more colorful...but I don't. I don't think they have a place here under anything

other than..."What do you make of this"?

I would never assume to try to force another to believe that my personal experience trumps Gods revealed word. That, is something

I had to learn the hard way and it is a lesson I don't care to repeat

No need to continue you disagree. My point is that I just really think it is out of place to believe others should feel the same way

you do.

I am sure we can all at least agree on what Scripture says. Thanks

2 Cor. 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

[firestormx]

the most intense reaction seems to be about 'returning to the good old days of America' but it's too bad that is unclear. It may all be unclear because Kelly is unclear. He may even be dissonant himself.

What I meant is what Prager has just said in STILL THE BEST HOPE--WHY THE WORLD NEEDS AMERICAN VALUES TO SURVIVE like 'e pluribus unum,' inalienable rights (2 days til Independence Day!) and etc. The book shows that the Left and Islam are trying to chop down this oak tree that has been growing for 2 centuries, and that goodness in the West comes from Judeo-Christian roots.

Yes, I do know LOTR is not 'real' but the thought in the quote sure is: ordinary people are given the task of being extraordinary heroes all the time, and don't turn back from it. They risk it and may perish, but they are great people, not cowards.

Sorry but I see nowhere in the NT where the default mentality is let's get out of here because it is going to be difficult. In particular instances, like in 68, the Christians in Jerusalem did leave the city because the enforcement of Judaistic laws by messianists was going to be pretty harsh, and the Judaizing leaders were foolish. That's what 'pray you don't have get out on a Sabbath' is about--the sabbath police might see you and off you on the spot. But that was to take up other Christian ministry in another place. Likewise Paul escaping from Damascas. That is a very different thing from life-long 'wishing I wasn't here and doing nothing about it.'

Of course Christ will return when He wishes. It's just that the first thing he said about the topic as the resurrected Christ was, 'it is not for you to know times and seasons; you will recieve power for ministry.' Why is it then, that today's prophecy-rapture-mania spends all their time trying to know, and doesn't seem to have enough power to want to stay here "which is better for you (the Philippians)" ch. 1?

yes we do need to be careful of individual experiences. Subjectivity skews things. As you can see from Acts, Paul's 'experience' on the road is not touted as a 'dramatic testimony.' It does come up when explaining where he was to leaders or government hearings, but it is not in his recorded sermons at all of Acts 13, 14, 17, 20.

--Inter

I do agree that espically with pretrip, it seems more like escapism. i understand and actually agree. When I was told what I was by Christ himself, I've always noticed a glaring absence of when. He said in my lifetime, I was 26 when it happened, I could easily live another 50 years. What I was trying to say is that ignoring all of it is just as wrong as focusing on it all the time. There must be balance.

[Sevenseas]

Of course Christ will return when He wishes. It's just that the first thing he said about the topic as the resurrected Christ was, 'it is not for you to know times and seasons; you will recieve power for ministry.' Why is it then, that today's prophecy-rapture-mania spends all their time trying to know, and doesn't seem to have enough power to want to stay here "which is better for you (the Philippians)" ch. 1?

yes we do need to be careful of individual experiences. Subjectivity skews things. As you can see from Acts, Paul's 'experience' on the road is not touted as a 'dramatic testimony.' It does come up when explaining where he was to leaders or government hearings, but it is not in his recorded sermons at all of Acts 13, 14, 17, 20.

Like I stated, I'm not of the gotta know and understand all about BIBLICAL prophecy variety and the flip side of that particular coin seems to be

the miracle a minute/extraneous word from God societies that are all over Trinity broadcasting and such...they compliment each other nicely

IMO

Yes, I do know LOTR is not 'real' but the thought in the quote sure is: ordinary people are given the task of being extraordinary heroes all the time, and don't turn back from it. They risk it and may perish, but they are great people, not cowards.

I know. The quote from scripture, 'mind of Christ' is appropriate regarding what you speak of I think....now there was Someone who had every

reason to be other worldly, yet, He was not...hope that is understood in the context of how I mean it,, cause the explanation would be a

little complicated...I tend to see the end of something quicker than the middle parts, so sometimes I skip the middle (which does not work

for everyone of course)

[Guest]

I read that you were not talking to me. Sorry.

Edited July 3, 2012 by Parker1

[coheir]

I never said that Parker1