Prophecy of America

[gypc]

I saw sinlessness in the flesh being preached with the backing of "So sayeth the Lord". That to me is not a trivial matter is it to you?

Adstar, that is not what is being preached. It's as though your are looking for that teaching so hard that you found it in something that brings life instead of death.

If I preached absolute sinlessness, I would be condeming myself.

1:8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us

Also......when I studied this prophecy, I felt as though a burden was lifted. I see freedom in it instead of bondage.

Rev 2:18"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. 20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come. 26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations--

27'He will rule them with an iron scepter;

he will dash them to pieces like pottery'[2] -- 28just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

As with all the letters to the churches, these are meant to bring life. Look at God's mercy...he says."21I have given her time to repent of her immorality,"

This person was leading the Lord's people into sexual immorality yet Jesus was giving her time to repent. But then he speaks of her judgement...."23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds," Wow!!!!! That's heavy.

Jesus paid such a high price with his blood to set us free from sin and in the prophecy, he is against those who take that lightly. And...at the same time, giving them time to repent. God's word is meant to take burdens off of people and at the same time pronounce judgement on those who love not the truth.

Praise God......he is full of mercy. I need his mercy

Jesus loves you. I stink but he is awesome.

In his love,

Brian

[tsth]

I and my word are one.

NO NO NO!!! Unfortunately, that is not only bad syntax but it is also grave heresy.

The Lord is not one with His word. That is not the meanining of John 1:1.

The eternal God of creation is not the same as the words that he inspired the apostles and prophets to write so we could have true knowledge of Him.

Again, I would urge you to carefully weigh the words of "prophets" against the revelation we have in the Scriptures.

- Steve

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[1] it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[2]

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- 13children born not of natural descent,[3] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[4] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Word and he and the Father are one. John 10:30I and the Father are one."

Thanks Steve.

In his love,

Brian

Hang in there Brian,

It's ok. Sometimes though, that specific passage in 1 John is a difficult one. Adstar don't forget that Jesus came "in the flesh". You have to understand what that entails.

2 Cor. 13:4 For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, but we shall live with Him by the power of God toward you. 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?--unless indeed you are disqualified. 6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.

1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

1 John 4:4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

1 John 4:12 12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

Adstar, Bryan is merely stating things that are in the Scriptures. He is right, anyone who is born of God will not continue in a "life of sin". God says that is the Truth of anyone in whom Christ lives.

If one is proclaiming to follow Christ and living contrary to Christ, there is a problem, that needs to be examined, just as 2 Cor. 13:5 explains. It is to help someone, not hurt them.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[vitality22004]

I've just joined as a member so I'm not quite sure of my way around the site yet. I think that this prophetic word is valid for most of the nations of the world and is a cry from the heart of God so that the CHURCH, who is His body on the earth, can change the status quo by raising up a righteous standard. We know the state of most of the nations but the governments don't know God. We,as the church claim to know His voice. If we as the people of God will humble ourselves, turn from our wicked ways and repent and cry to God, He will hear from heaven and heal our land.

[nebula]

So Nebula do we counter those who preach grace as a license to sin (A lie) by supporting and promoting those who preach the opposite end of the spectrum, sinlessness in the flesh (A lie) ?

I saw sinlessness in the flesh being preached with the backing of "So sayeth the Lord". That to me is not a trivial matter is it to you?

OK . . .

1) Where did you get the impression I was promoting that?

2) Since when was prophecy meant to be a teaching?

3) If there is a passage in the Bible that says:

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. (1 John 3:4-6)

why are you punishing someone for proclaiming that message?

4)If you had askd gypc to clarify the point, believing the point to be unbalanced, then sure you may ask for clarity. If the answer given is then the unbalanced claim, then your grounds for confronting would be valid. But gypc did explain the balanced perspective. Yet, you attacked from the beginning and refuse to quit attacking?

Are you really upset over the one sentence - or the whole prophecy? Really?

5) Have you ever given a word or revelation you had every reason to believe was from the Lord to another?

[nebula]

We,as the church claim to know His voice. If we as the people of God will humble ourselves, turn from our wicked ways and repent and cry to God, He will hear from heaven and heal our land.

Hi, Vitality!

Welcome to the Boards!

And a good point. We the Church need to repent of our sins and seek His face. Too often people interpret the verse to say we need to repent for the "sins of our nation." But infact, it is our own wickedness the Lord is concerned about (as He was with 5 of the 7 churches in Revelation).

:x: Sorry, stepped onto a little soap box there.

Again, welcome!

[Adstar]

Well looks like i have been painted as the bully. So be it. I have said all that i have to say on the issue of sinlessness in the flesh.

Just to clear up a point.

So Nebula do we counter those who preach grace as a license to sin (A lie) by supporting and promoting those who preach the opposite end of the spectrum, sinlessness in the flesh (A lie) ?

I saw sinlessness in the flesh being preached with the backing of "So sayeth the Lord". That to me is not a trivial matter is it to you?

1) Where did you get the impression I was promoting that?

When did i say in that quote that you where promoting sinlessness in the flesh? Read the quote again neb. I was asking you questions not making accusations.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[nebula]

: backtracks steps :

OK - I see I erred.

Yet - this is tough - how do I explain this?

"How can we who are dead to sin live any longer therein?" (Rom. 6)

My concern has been that the argument comes across as if the "prophecy" has been discounted because of how this one issue came across to you - or is it that you discounted the prophecy and used this point as grounds to tear it down.

Truthfully, I am having a hard time sorting out all these different "prophetic words," yet the grounds by which they are evaluated don't suit well with me either.

I know what it is to strongly believe the Lord has given me a "word" or a vision or a something to give to someone. Yet I k now my delivery doesn't always come out perfect - I am an imperfect vessel after all (and especially in speach, I stumble over words and how to express them!) If the Lord genuinely gives me a "word" to speak, is it discounted because I have a problem getting words out through my mouth? Or do you believe that when the Lord gives a word it comes out like a dictograph and I have no control over it - the way it happens with cults and the occult?

I know this comes out harsh, but this indeed is my concern.

I know I haven't agreed with gypc on every issue, yet it bothers me that his attempts at clarifying a point he made was completely disregarded as invalid.

I don't get it. Why no mercy?

BTW - if I am evaluating your actions, reactions and motives incorrectly, I am more than open to correction.

:upsided:

[ellie]

Hi Everyone:

I have never received a word of prophecy from the Lord, but I believe some people do. A short while back I had a dream that seemed to be prophetic. The setting of the dream was this nation, but I knew that it also applied to the world. I have never had such a vivid dream before, but I have had several seemingly prophetic dreams after this one. So, here it goes. I dreamed there was a giant tidal wave (black and rolling with all kinds of vile filth in it) moving across this nation, every where it rolled it left utter darkness. It was so vile that you could smell it before you ever saw it. Many people who attended church and thought of themselves as Christians were overcome by the tidal wave. It seemed as though nothing could stop it. Suddenly in the dream a group of believers formed a strong wall, they were literally glowing like I imagine Moses did when coming down off the mountain, and they were holding the word of God in their hands. As the tidal wave came against them it split and went on either side of them, then as they began walking forward the light of God went before them. Every step they took they reclaimed the darkness that the tidal wave had brought. When I woke up I wrote the dream down in my prayer journal. Now I do not claim to be prophetic, but I do believe that the Lord can speak to us through a word of prophecy or a dream. Just thought I would add my two cents for what it is worth. Love in Christ Jesus, ellie

[gypc]

ellie, I believe God showed you that.

In his love,

Brian

[Guest shiloh357]

1Jn.3:4-9

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

These verses are absolutely true: No one who is born of God commits sin. The part of you that is born again does not sin. Your innerman, the part of you that possesses eternal life, the part of you that has been re-created does not sin and wars against your flesh. The part of me that is born of God does not transgress the law, always practices righteousness, does not sin at any time, and cannot sin.

My flesh is another issue. I am must daily seek to bring it into submission.

We are still in a process of sanctification. We are daily having to die to self, we daily present our lives as living sacrifices, and continue to renew our minds in the Word. As a result we are, each day, little by little conformed a bit more into the image of Christ. I think it is important to keep a balanced approach to these Scriptures. We will not see the final experietial manifestation of these verses until our sin nature is eradicated, and we possess our new, glorified bodies.

As long as we do not interpret the above passage in the light of our experience, will not come under condemnation.