Who are the sheep in Matthew 25?

[gdemoss]

Yod, you confuse me. How is it that you understand clearly that we who are not of Abrahams loins are his children spiritually as he is the father of us all just as many are called the children of the devil, yet when seeking to understand that which is spoken of Ephraim and Manasseh spiritually you vehemently oppose yourself to it and believe that the ones bringing it up are claiming replacement theology?

It is clear that Salvation is of the Jews as Jesus stated to the Samaritan woman at the well. The interesting thing I find is that the Samaritan woman represents us, the gentile portion of the church and it is Gods rejection of the house of Joseph that causes him to return to the beloved Jewish brothers who have been blind to the identity of their messiah for so long and to finalize the bringing in of the kingdom through them. The half tribe of Manasseh that was on the other side of the river.

God love our Jewish brethren whom we should have been watching over with a zeal and pouring out a blessing upon rather than working to strip them of the promises given them by God. They will have their day in the sun shortly.

Gary

[other one]

the sheep are the people who follow his second commandment....

Sam, will you please elaborate for clarity.

Gary

Jesus's second commandment is to love our neighbors as ourselves..... if you look at the people who he has put on his right (sheep) it is the people who have taken care of those who couldn't take care of themselves....... loving their neighbors.

I personally think that you have to love God (the whole trinity) to be able to do that, so I would say much what Jesus has told us all along...... if we love and follwo him we will do as he says..... Love God and Love our neighbors....... and it is bassically that simple. While being a Christian can be tricky, it is really simple...

[Guest yod]

Yod, you confuse me. How is it that you understand clearly that we who are not of Abrahams loins are his children spiritually as he is the father of us all just as many are called the children of the devil, yet when seeking to understand that which is spoken of Ephraim and Manasseh spiritually you vehemently oppose yourself to it and believe that the ones bringing it up are claiming replacement theology?

It is clear that Salvation is of the Jews as Jesus stated to the Samaritan woman at the well. The interesting thing I find is that the Samaritan woman represents us, the gentile portion of the church and it is Gods rejection of the house of Joseph that causes him to return to the beloved Jewish brothers who have been blind to the identity of their messiah for so long and to finalize the bringing in of the kingdom through them. The half tribe of Manasseh that was on the other side of the river.

God love our Jewish brethren whom we should have been watching over with a zeal and pouring out a blessing upon rather than working to strip them of the promises given them by God. They will have their day in the sun shortly.

Gary

None of that makes any sense because you assume your "spiritual" interpretations to be correct.

Please explain what you mean by:

that which is spoken of Ephraim and Manasseh spiritually

believe that the ones bringing it up are claiming replacement theology?

(If you're refering to 2-house then the answer is simple. It is a hybrid brand of replacement theology)

the Samaritan woman represents us, the gentile portion of the church

Analogies are fair, but just because someone can come up with a metaphor does not mean that their comparisons are actually equal to the scriptures.

[Guest yod]

the sheep are the people who follow his second commandment....

Sam, will you please elaborate for clarity.

Gary

Jesus's second commandment is to love our neighbors as ourselves..... if you look at the people who he has put on his right (sheep) it is the people who have taken care of those who couldn't take care of themselves....... loving their neighbors.

I personally think that you have to love God (the whole trinity) to be able to do that, so I would say much what Jesus has told us all along...... if we love and follwo him we will do as he says..... Love God and Love our neighbors....... and it is bassically that simple. While being a Christian can be tricky, it is really simple...

And that is a fair & correct application, but the interpretation is very literally speaking of the Jews.

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[gdemoss]

Yod, you confuse me. How is it that you understand clearly that we who are not of Abrahams loins are his children spiritually as he is the father of us all just as many are called the children of the devil, yet when seeking to understand that which is spoken of Ephraim and Manasseh spiritually you vehemently oppose yourself to it and believe that the ones bringing it up are claiming replacement theology?

It is clear that Salvation is of the Jews as Jesus stated to the Samaritan woman at the well. The interesting thing I find is that the Samaritan woman represents us, the gentile portion of the church and it is Gods rejection of the house of Joseph that causes him to return to the beloved Jewish brothers who have been blind to the identity of their messiah for so long and to finalize the bringing in of the kingdom through them. The half tribe of Manasseh that was on the other side of the river.

God love our Jewish brethren whom we should have been watching over with a zeal and pouring out a blessing upon rather than working to strip them of the promises given them by God. They will have their day in the sun shortly.

Gary

None of that makes any sense because you assume your "spiritual" interpretations to be correct.

Please explain what you mean by:

that which is spoken of Ephraim and Manasseh spiritually

believe that the ones bringing it up are claiming replacement theology?

(If you're refering to 2-house then the answer is simple. It is a hybrid brand of replacement theology)

the Samaritan woman represents us, the gentile portion of the church

Analogies are fair, but just because someone can come up with a metaphor does not mean that their comparisons are actually equal to the scriptures.

I think I understand better Yod, thanks for the clarity. You do have a great point. Who is to say that my understanding is proper or correct? Of course I believe what I have been shown. I understand why one would approach with skepticism. Can you explain the why Peter would write such a thing unto those who already are believers in Jesus Christ?

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

What is he explaining will happen to these believers if they obey what is written? Why did he elevate it above and compare it too that which he, James and John experienced on the mount? Has this happened to you yet?

Gary

[other one]

the sheep are the people who follow his second commandment....

Sam, will you please elaborate for clarity.

Gary

Jesus's second commandment is to love our neighbors as ourselves..... if you look at the people who he has put on his right (sheep) it is the people who have taken care of those who couldn't take care of themselves....... loving their neighbors.

I personally think that you have to love God (the whole trinity) to be able to do that, so I would say much what Jesus has told us all along...... if we love and follwo him we will do as he says..... Love God and Love our neighbors....... and it is bassically that simple. While being a Christian can be tricky, it is really simple...

And that is a fair & correct application, but the interpretation is very literally speaking of the Jews.

.

Well, he says that "all the nations" will be gathered before him and that pretty much sounds like everyone to me.

[Guest yod]

Well, he says that "all the nations" will be gathered before him and that pretty much sounds like everyone to me.

Right....all the "goyim" will be judged by how they treated His brethren.

That word means gentiles the way it is being used in this passage. The Gentiles are the nations.

[Guest yod]

Can you explain the why Peter would write such a thing unto those who already are believers in Jesus Christ?

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

What is he explaining will happen to these believers if they obey what is written? Why did he elevate it above and compare it too that which he, James and John experienced on the mount? Has this happened to you yet?

Gary

Let's look at the context.

For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. ¹⁷ For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such anutterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”— ¹⁸ and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

¹⁹ So we have the prophetic word more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. ²⁰ But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is of one’s own interpretation, ²¹ for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

He's telling them that they had literally heard the voice of God proclaim Yeshua to be "My Son in whom I am well pleased" and that confirmed the words of prophecy concerning who Yeshua is. He's just saying this is something they've seen with their own eyes and therefore is the "prophetic word more sure".

I don't see that as relevant to an experience Ya'acov or Yochanan had.

[other one]

Well, he says that "all the nations" will be gathered before him and that pretty much sounds like everyone to me.

Right....all the "goyim" will be judged by how they treated His brethren.

That word means gentiles the way it is being used in this passage. The Gentiles are the nations.

AAhhh, I see where you're coming from... I'll have to ponder on that for a while...