De-Evolution of Culture

[GoldenEagle]

And then comes the homosexuals. With the use of contraceptives, homosexuals can now make the argument that marriage is no longer about procreation. The purpose of marriage then comes into question, and homosexuals were able to legalize same sex marriage, and again the family structure is weakened. Now, that some states have same sex marriages, homosexuals want to adopt children. The adoption of children into homosexual families also has grave consequences, and again the family structure continues to weaken and go into moral decay.

You didn't provide any proof for what you claimed to be true, in my opinion..

and homosexuals were able to legalize same sex marriage, and again the family structure is weakened.

I think, since you did not provide any proof for this chapter, it is slander. But I don't want to accuse you, because maybe you come up with some proof now...

Thomas

Proof? There are various studies on the subject Thomas. Here's an interesting study:

NEW STUDY ON HOMOSEXUAL PARENTS TOPS ALL PREVIOUS RESEARCH

http://www.frc.org/i...evious-research

Regnerus has analyzed his findings, and their statistical significance, in two ways--first by a simple and direct comparison between what is reported by the children of homosexual parents and the children of "intact biological families" ("IBFs"), and second by "controlling" for a variety of other characteristics. "Controlling for income," for example, would mean showing that "IBF" children do not do better just because their married parents have higher incomes, but that they do better even when the incomes of their households and the households of homosexual parents are the same. Again, Regnerus has done these comparisons for "LMs" (children of "lesbian mothers") and "GFs" (children of gay fathers) separately.

Compared with children raised by their married biological parents (IBF), children of homosexual parents (LM and GF):

• Are much more likely to have received welfare (IBF 17%; LM 69%; GF 57%)
  
• Have lower educational attainment
  
• Report less safety and security in their family of origin
  
• Report more ongoing "negative impact" from their family of origin
  
• Are more likely to suffer from depression
  
• Have been arrested more often
  
• If they are female, have had more sexual partners--both male and female
  
  

Further, the research shows...

Children of lesbian mothers:

Are more likely to be currently cohabiting
Are almost 4 times more likely to be currently on public assistance
Are less likely to be currently employed full-time
Are more than 3 times more likely to be unemployed
Are nearly 4 times more likely to identify as something other than entirely heterosexual
Are 3 times as likely to have had an affair while married or cohabiting
Are an astonishing 10 times more likely to have been "touched sexually by a parent or other adult caregiver."
Are nearly 4 times as likely to have been "physically forced" to have sex against their will
Are more likely to have "attachment" problems related to the ability to depend on others
Use marijuana more frequently
Smoke more frequently
Watch TV for long periods more frequently
Have more often pled guilty to a non-minor offense

What about the results on children's sexual orientation?

Differences in Sexuality

When comparing children of homosexuals with children of married biological parents, the differences in sexuality--experiences of sexual abuse, number of sexual partners, and homosexual feelings and experiences among the children themselves--were among the most striking. While not all of the findings mentioned below have the same level of "statistical significance" as those mentioned above, they remain important.

At one time, defenders of homosexual parents not only argued that their children do fine on psychological and developmental measures, but they also said that children of homosexuals "are no more likely to be gay" than children of heterosexuals. That claim will be impossible to maintain in light of this study. It found that children of homosexual fathers are nearly 3 times as likely, and children of lesbian mothers are nearly 4 times as likely, to identify as something other than entirely heterosexual. Children of lesbian mothers are 75% more likely, and children of homosexual fathers are 3 times more likely, to be currently in a same-sex romantic relationship.

The same holds true with the number of sexual partners. Both males and females who were raised by both lesbian mothers and homosexual fathers have more opposite-sex (heterosexual)partners than children of married biological parents (daughters of homosexual fathers had twice as many). But the differences in homosexual conduct are even greater. The daughters of lesbians have 4 times as many female (that is, same-sex) sexual partners than the daughters of married biological parents, and the daughters of homosexual fathers have 6 times as many. Meanwhile, the sons of both lesbian mothers and homosexual fathers have 7 times as many male (same-sex) sexual partners as sons of married biological parents.

What about sexual abuse you ask?

The most shocking and troubling outcomes, however, are those related to sexual abuse. Children raised by a lesbian mother were

10 times more likely

to have been "touched sexually by a parent or other adult caregiver" (23% reported this, vs. only 2% for children of married biological parents), while those raised by a homosexual father were 3 times more likely (reported by 6%). In his text, but not in his charts, Regnerus breaks out these figures for only female victims, and the ratios remain similar (3% IBF; 31% LM; 10% GF). As to the question of whether you have "ever been physically forced" to have sex against your will (not necessarily in childhood), affirmative answers came from 8% of children of married biological parents, 31% of children of lesbian mothers (nearly 4 times as many), and 25% of the children of homosexual fathers (3 times as many). Again, when Regnerus breaks these figures out for females (who are more likely to be victims of sexual abuse in general), such abuse was reported by 14% of IBFs, but 3 times as many of the LMs (46%) and GFs (52%).

Have a good day. God bless!

GE

[thomas t]

Good day GE,

thank you for the study.

The study holds that children raised at same sex parent's are more likely to come into problems.

My question is: does the legalization of ss marriage have anything to do with the number of children raised mother/mother or father/father ?

[GoldenEagle]

Good day GE,

thank you for the study.

The study holds that children raised at same sex parent's are more likely to come into problems.

My question is: does the legalization of ss marriage have anything to do with the number of children raised mother/mother or father/father ?

I'm not sure I understand the question. I'm not sure if the number of children raised by LM (lesbian mothers) and GF's (gay fathers) has any significance on the study.

With the legalization of same-sex unions and the push for same sex marriage in the U.S. (also globally) there has been increased availability (through artificial insemination and surrogate mothers) and ease of adoption through LM's (lesbian mothers) and GF's (gay fathers). The issue has become that these LM and GF relationships (family environments) are more damaging to children than IBF's (intact biological families). Did you understand that from the study results?

[thomas t]

With the legalization of same-sex unions and the push for same sex marriage in the U.S. (also globally) there has been increased availability (through artificial insemination and surrogate mothers) ...

Is the availability of artificial insemination and surrogate mothers for lesbian/gay people linked to the legalization of ss marriage?

Perhaps you can explain this a bit more... Isn't it that a woman who wants to have artificial insemination simply gets it? I'll look that up, too.

Thomas

P.S.: Ok, I looked that up at wikipedia. In several Eurpean countries, lesbian woman that are not married can get artificial insemination. In Germany, it is tied. Some doctors grant it.

Edited November 11, 2012 by thomas t

[thomas t]

GE,

the next question is, would the denial of same sex marriage in itself transfer children from LM or GF's households to IBF housholds?

I think the answer is "no".

Selene claimed that the legalization of ss-mariage weakened the familiy structure. To my understanding, the proof to be undertaken for this claim should encompass that the children would be raised in IBF households if legal ss-mariage is denied. Then the allegation would be proven, I think.

Thomas

P.S.: I now know that slander is a very strong word in English. I would like to have it replaced by "saying an unproven allegation about another person".

Edited November 11, 2012 by thomas t

[GoldenEagle]

Why would Bible study stress you out? Unless you didn't like or agree with what it says???

Shiloh, I love everything God tells us through the Bible. But the Bible is very big to me.... and I'm more interested in matters that concern me more...

Shiloh, I'm making choices, now. Choices between topics I want to discuss and other topics.

Nevertheless, I think that if I ever want to formulate a statement about homosexual life styles, it should come out of love for gay or lesbian people.

Apparently this topic interests or concerns you enough to have a significant amount of your posts on this thread. (10 out of 119 which is slightly less than 10%)

But I'd like to get back to the standard for Christians - the Bible. The legalization of same-sex marriage is an affront to Biblical teaching do you agree? (Here are the passages referring to homosexuality: Gen. 19, Lev. 18:22, Lev. 20:13, Judges 19:22-30, Rom. 1, 1 Cor. 6:9-10, 1 Tim. 1:9-10, Jude 1:7)

The Bible is big yes. But do you not like what it says about homosexuality? Formulating any statement for a Christian should be on the basis of the Bible. Would you agree?

Yes, we're (Christians) to show love to homosexuals but homosexuality is clearly a sin according to the Bible (see passages above). We as Christians called to love the sinner but hate the sin. This means that as a Christian I cannot approve of the homosexual choice. Yet God has the power to change the hearts of people and draw them to Him.

GE, the next question is, would the denial of same sex marriage in itself transfer children from LM or GF's households to IBF housholds?

I think the answer is "no".

Selene claimed that the legalization of ss-mariage weakened the familiy structure. To my understanding, the proof to be undertaken for this claim should encompass that the children would be raised in IBF households if legal ss-mariage is denied. Then the allegation would be proven, I think.

Thomas

P.S.: I now know that slander is a very strong word in English. I would like to have it replaced by "saying an unproven allegation about another person".

In the case of artificial insemination or surrogate mothers there wouldn't be the children for LMs or GFs. In the case of adoption of children by LM or GF's I'm not sure. If a couple wasn't married I imagine it would be logical to conclude that it would be more difficult to adopt? Marriage is a sign of stability would you agree?

Yes I'd agree the term "slander" is a pretty strong word in English. Perhaps you could change your post?

God bless,

GE

[thomas t]

Hello GE,

ok, I changed the word "slander" in the above post.

The Bible is big yes. But do you not like what it says about homosexuality? Formulating any statement for a Christian should be on the basis of the Bible. Would you agree?

As I already mentioned, I like everything the Bible has to say to us. I agree with the latter.

If a couple wasn't married I imagine it would be logical to conclude that it would be more difficult to adopt?

That sounds logical at first thought, yes.

Marriage is a sign of stability would you agree?

Sign of stability, that sounds vague to me.

Even if state officials seem more compelled to give their green lights to an adoption by LMs being legally married, then I wonder how Selene can show how that weakens anything. Well, maybe she comes up with something...

Have a good day

Thomas

[Guest shiloh357]

Why would Bible study stress you out? Unless you didn't like or agree with what it says???

Shiloh, I love everything God tells us through the Bible. But the Bible is very big to me.... and I'm more interested in matters that concern me more...

Shiloh, I'm making choices, now. Choices between topics I want to discuss and other topics.

On top of that, I'm in a challenging phase of my professional life, I have to make choices between what I want to know and what I don't want to know in order to not overcharge my time ressources.

LOL Yeah your time resources are really overcharged seeing how much time you spend posting here. Honestly, I don't buy that excuse. I can imagine you have time for what's important and I don't think its a case of not having enough time. And for someone who has no interest in the topic you seem to be spending a lot of time talking about it. So it looks more like excuses and less like a legitimate deficit of time or resources.

[thomas t]

LOL Yeah your time resources are really overcharged seeing how much time you spend posting here. Honestly, I don't buy that excuse. I can imagine you have time for what's important and I don't think its a case of not having enough time. And for someone who has no interest in the topic you seem to be spending a lot of time talking about it. So it looks more like excuses and less like a legitimate deficit of time or resources.

Good day Shiloh.

To me, what the Bible has to say about homosexuality is one thing. The effects of same sex marriage being made legal the other.

Jon cited a study that showed that children raised by same sex parents suffer often.

But any of us posters showed that only because of the legalization of same sex marriage, children are taken out of traditional families and placed in LM/GF- homes. Neither did anybody believe that, once same sex marriage becomes legal, children living in traditional families can be taken out through adoption into LM/GF homes. Hence, I don’t see any proof for the allegation made above.

Have a nice week

Thomas

Thomas

[GoldenEagle]

Hello GE,

ok, I changed the word "slander" in the above post.

The Bible is big yes. But do you not like what it says about homosexuality? Formulating any statement for a Christian should be on the basis of the Bible. Would you agree?

As I already mentioned, I like everything the Bible has to say to us. Iagree with the latter.

Marriage is a sign of stability would you agree?

Sign of stability, that sounds vague to me.

Even if state officials seem more compelled to give their green lights to an adoption by LMs being legally married, then I wonder how Selene can show how that weakens anything. Well, maybe she comes up with something...

Have a good day

Thomas

What do you mean you agree with the latter? Please clarify so I don't misunderstand you.

People who are single to my knowledge have a harder time adopting than married people no? This seems logical. Perhaps I'm wrong in this assumption.