Traditions vs the Bible

[Guest Bazz50]

LOL, I am afraid that there are limits as to how large a post can be. To answer your question about "how do you know", be as the Berean and search scripture to see if what you are told lines up with scripture. If it does not, it is not on the same level as scripture and should be approached with caution.

You will find the scripture to back this up between Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

I don't think anyone would disagree with what you are saying but the problem is that is not the reality though. Not many Christian actually search the scriptures to see if what they are being told in Church by their pastor is Biblically based. And even if they did and saw where their Church is in error, how many would change their belief to that of the scripture against what their Church teaches? But yet they still believe that what they believe is Biblical, and this is in the light of the fact that not every Church teaches and believes the same things.

For example, why do so many Christians observe Christmas despite the fact that Jesus was not born in December, as well as history shows that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism. Did not Jesus warn that many would be deceived and would be worshiping Him in vain because of men’s tradition?

You are trying to make this something it is not. Whether or not someone celebrates Christmas does not mean they are following false teachings.

Let me ask you this, if you have a belief that is part of your Christian tradition that is not not only not endorsed in the Bible but is a lie as well what would you call it? Was Jesus born on December the 25?

Isn't it a bit early for bashing Christmas? We have yet to finish up with the Halloween bashing, and have yet even touched on the Thanksgiving bashing.

For me, the truth is always in season…..its never too early to examine what one believes to if its in the truth or based on a lie. The scripture says we should be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you.

Isn't I disagree what is in bold and underlined. The reality is that this is the problem for reasons you even state.

Then can you explain how most if not all the denominations all read the same Bible but deferrer in what they believe?

Where do you want to go with this thread? Are you really interested in the truth to correct, or are you seeking just to start a lively conversation?

Basically, to challenge people to actually study the Bible and not believe everything the pastor preached in Church. To get out of religion and get into what the Bible have to say.

Edited October 31, 2012 by Bazz50

[Guest Bazz50]

LOL, I am afraid that there are limits as to how large a post can be. To answer your question about "how do you know", be as the Berean and search scripture to see if what you are told lines up with scripture. If it does not, it is not on the same level as scripture and should be approached with caution.

You will find the scripture to back this up between Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

I don't think anyone would disagree with what you are saying but the problem is that is not the reality though. Not many Christian actually search the scriptures to see if what they are being told in Church by their pastor is Biblically based. And even if they did and saw where their Church is in error, how many would change their belief to that of the scripture against what their Church teaches? But yet they still believe that what they believe is Biblical, and this is in the light of the fact that not every Church teaches and believes the same things.

For example, why do so many Christians observe Christmas despite the fact that Jesus was not born in December, as well as history shows that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism. Did not Jesus warn that many would be deceived and would be worshiping Him in vain because of men’s tradition?

I agree with OneLinght's post.

It doesn't matter what churches, pastors, elders, biships, priests teach. Opinions are great. God's Word is better.

What matters is what the Bible says. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

2 Tim. 3:16-17

¹⁶ All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, ¹⁷ that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Re: Christmas in December. Really it should be a celebration of Christ. However, it has been very distorted with all the emphasis on giving gifts instead of giving gifts or better yet the One True Gift - Jesus. I'm of the mind to celebrate Christmas all year round?

Why should December the 25 be used considering that Jesus was not born in December and that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism? Christmas was always distorted....its a celebration of the pagan gods.....it is like trying to purify a polluted swamp by purring fresh water in......it still going to be polluted only a little more deceptive like mixing evil with good.

[Guest Bazz50]

For example, why do so many Christians observe Christmas despite the fact that Jesus was not born in December, as well as history shows that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism. Did not Jesus warn that many would be deceived and would be worshiping Him in vain because of men’s tradition?

One person celebrates the day to the Lord, and another does not. Both give thanks to God. I don't see a problem with that.

Did Paul observe Christmas and was that the issue?

[Klassic]

Bazz, I have read on here for years and more recently joined. I have seen this discussion multiple times. Personally, I think there is blessing in recognizing and celebrating the 'Feasts of the Lord' which are also called the Jewish Feasts. I believe it is those days that Paul is referring to...

[Guest Bazz50]

Bazz, I have read on here for years and more recently joined. I have seen this discussion multiple times. Personally, I think there is blessing in recognizing and celebrating the 'Feasts of the Lord' which are also called the Jewish Feasts. I believe it is those days that Paul is referring to...

I can personally say that I have learnt a lot from studying those Holy Days and I have in the past kept them myself.....it’s amazing the nuggets of gold that is hidden in it.

[His Ambassador]

How do you know that what you believe is Biblically based and not just something the Church you attend believe? Can you provide scriptures that support what you believe?

The biggest problem is how people interpret what they believe is Biblically based.

[Sevenseas]

Bashing through the snow

Over the books we go

Picking all the way

Looking for a nay

So good to find a cause

Reflecting on the laws

Soon we will be so filled with light

We'll never have to fight!

Oh ~~~~~~~~

Interpreting Interpreting

Interpreting all the way

Oh what fun to pick and choose

What God has to say!

Oh ~~~~~~~

Interpreting Interpreting

Interpreting all the way

Oh what fun to pick and choose

And have the final say

sung to jingle bells of course

[Guest Bazz50]

How do you know that what you believe is Biblically based and not just something the Church you attend believe? Can you provide scriptures that support what you believe?

The biggest problem is how people interpret what they believe is Biblically based.

If you are referring to the Bible then I say that interpreting the Bible is wrong......the Bible provides its own. But from what I have seen is that people either make assumptions about what they read in it or they just blindly swallow hook-line-and-sinker whatever they are told in their Church. They are lead to believe that only the pastor or minister has the authority to interpret or say what a scripture means. But the Bible says that every disciple is to study the Bible to show themselves approved of God.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

¹⁵ Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[GoldenEagle]

I agree with OneLinght's post.

It doesn't matter what churches, pastors, elders, biships, priests teach. Opinions are great. God's Word is better.

What matters is what the Bible says. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

2 Tim. 3:16-17

¹⁶ All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, ¹⁷ that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Re: Christmas in December. Really it should be a celebration of Christ. However, it has been very distorted with all the emphasis on giving gifts instead of giving gifts or better yet the One True Gift - Jesus. I'm of the mind to celebrate Christmas all year round?

Why should December the 25 be used considering that Jesus was not born in December and that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism? Christmas was always distorted....its a celebration of the pagan gods.....it is like trying to purify a polluted swamp by purring fresh water in......it still going to be polluted only a little more deceptive like mixing evil with good.

Do you believe it is wrong to celebrate the birth of Christ?

I said I thought it was best to celebrate Christ’s birth all year round?

What is your alternative out of curiosity?

Isn't I disagree what is in bold and underlined. The reality is that this is the problem for reasons you even state.

Then can you explain how most if not all the denominations all read the same Bible but deferrer in what they believe?

Why do Christians disagree? Because we are free in Christ to disagree. (Gal 5.1 and Rom. 8:2)

I believe the major things that are important and that we agree upon are as follows:

A. All people have sinned and are in need of a Savior as we cannot save ourselves. (Rom. 3:10, 23)

B. Faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior is the only way to a restored relationship (from spiritual death as creation Col 2:13 to new spiritual life as joint heirs Rom. 8:17 in Christ) to God. (John 14:6)

C. We are all told to love God and love people. (Matt. 22:37-40)

Unity is one thing. Conformity is another. They aren’t the same. We are all members of the Body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:14) God didn’t create us to all be eyes. (Acts 12:20-22) We have different functions yet equal value in His eyes. Do you agree?

1 Cor. 12:12

¹² For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.

1 Cor. 12:20-22

²⁰ But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. ²¹ And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” ²² No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.

[Guest Bazz50]

Do you believe it is wrong to celebrate the birth of Christ?

Not if it means taking a pagan celebration and just change the name and then say they are celebrating the birth of Jesus and tell people Jesus was born on December 25. If it is justifiable to do that then the same logic would also apply for Halloween and any kind a ritual or perverted celebration observed by non believers.

I said I thought it was best to celebrate Christ’s birth all year round?

Do you? But celebrating Christ is not as important as believing what He preached and do it. Because Jesus said that most people would believe in Him but are worshiping Him in vain.

I What is your alternative out of curiosity?

How about spend more time listing to what He has to say?

Isn't I disagree what is in bold and underlined. The reality is that this is the problem for reasons you even state.

Then can you explain how most if not all the denominations all read the same Bible but deferrer in what they believe?

Why do Christians disagree? Because we are free in Christ to disagree. (Gal 5.1 and Rom. 8:2)

People disagreed before Jesus came so being free in Christ is not about be able to disaree.

I believe the major things are important and that we agree upon:

A. All people have sinned and are in need of a Savior as we cannot save ourselves. (Rom. 3:10, 23)

B. Faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior is the only way to a restored relationship (from spiritual death as creation Col 2:13 to new spiritual life as joint heirs Rom. 8:17 in Christ) to God. (John 14:6)

C. We are all told to love God and love people. (Matt. 22:37-40)

Unity is one thing. Conformity is another. They aren’t the same. We are all members of the Body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:14) God didn’t create us to all be eyes. (Acts 12:20-22) We have different functions yet equal value in His eyes. Do you agree?

1 Cor. 12:12

¹² For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.

1 Cor. 12:20-22

²⁰ But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. ²¹ And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” ²² No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.

I don’t see how any of those scriptures have to do with teaching and believing things based on blind traditions that have its roots in paganism vs getting one’s belief from the scriptures. Listen, I really don't expect anyone that is into Christian adopted pagan celebration not to defend what they believe.....it’s not new.....people always defend what they believe whether its right or wrong.....the Bible is full of many examples of people defending things that God hates.