Traditions vs the Bible

[Guest Bazz50]

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Everyone can provide scripture to support what they believe, whether it actually supports what they believe or not is a whole other matter. I often think about what Paul had to say on the matter:

1Cr 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. 1Cr 4:20 For the kingdom of God [is] not in word, but in power.

Anyone can quote scripture and claim it means something but how many of you can do this kind of stuff to back up your words?

Act 5:9-10 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband [are] at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying [her] forth, buried [her] by her husband.

Act 13:10-11 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Mar 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

We must honestly ask ourselves, Is God confirming our words unto others for us? If not we must sincerely wonder whether or not we actually have the right message to give out. It has been my experience that God will back up my words if I am preaching truth, many times using signs and wonders that the hearer never expected. I have never experienced the awesome power of God as Peter or Paul experienced but I have seen enough to convince me of the purity of the gospel message I bring unto others and hold to myself as the true gospel. The main thing that I have to agree with Bazz50 here on is that Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God, a kingdom that is going to be realized here on earth in short order.

There is a lot of truth in what he has presented in this thread about the threat of traditions of men becoming doctrines and misleading those who earnestly desire to know the truth but end up deceived by some well meaning pastor who swallowed the bait himself. The bible did foretell of our day if you can receive it. The same two golden calves set up by Jeroboam in the northern kingdom also represent Catholosim and Protestantism with their golden calves they have crafted seeing that they comprise the prophetic picture of the peoples who were brought into the land and given a single priest in 2 kings 17.

Beware of that which does not originate in the scriptures or those who start talking to you as if they know all about the culture and world of Jesus day so that they can educate you about what the bible 'really' says....run from them.

Gary

What you just said proves nothing......Jesus quoted scriptures and Satan quoted scriptures as well. So what does that mean? Does that mean don't listen to anyone because you don' know if they are of God or not because both sides can quote scriptures?

Edited November 1, 2012 by Bazz50

[Guest Bazz50]

You are so focused on your reason to do what you are doing that you did not even see what I was saying. That alone speaks volumes to me.

God Bless.

What spoke volume to me is this part of what you said

May I suggest to do so by example, not from a soapbox. We are told to "Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone." (Colossians 4:6). Nowhere does it tells us to make someone feel inferior or attacked when we speak the truth to them. There is a way to address false teachings and error without poking someone in the eye.

You speak as if you know me and know for a fact that I am not setting an example. You suggest that my words are harsh and that I am making people feel inferior or that I am attacking them with the truth. But have you read some of the things Jesus said? Have you read what Paul said in his letter? I'm pretty mild in comparison.....I have not called anyone children of Satan and have not called anyone dog or reprobate.

I think the problem is that some of us are not accustom to be told in Church that you are wrong but are given messages that soothing and comfortable. But that is not what I see in the Bible.....I see where Jesus even got angry at His disciples because of their lack of faith. I see where certain members in the Church had to be corrected; even an entire Church has to be reprimanded by Paul.

What I do know is that you are taking a day that someone has set aside to celebrate the birth of Christ, be it the wrong day, and attach a pagan celebration to it, which is not true. The Romans use to celebrate this day for the"Invincible Sun"; the Scandinavian celebrated this time as the Winter Solstice, known a Yule; the Germans use to celebrate this time as tree-worshiping; a very popular Mystery Cult devoted to the Persian god Mithras also honored their false god on that day. None of these are mentioned in the celebration of the birth of Christ by Christians, so you are attaching to this day what was never intended by those who celebrate this day as the birth of Jesus..

It is also known that December 25th was chosen because it is believed to be around the time Christ was conceived, nine months before his actual birth, believing that life began at conception.

I know you only by how you portray yourself. The difference between you and the Apostles is that they never added their own meaning to an issue, but stood only on the facts. If a Christian says they are celebrating a pagan day for Christ, then you would have a case. Yet, they are not. You are adding to what people actually doing because you feel you have to correct an error that is not there.

Can Christians use satanic rituals to honor God?

[OneLight]

You are so focused on your reason to do what you are doing that you did not even see what I was saying. That alone speaks volumes to me.

God Bless.

What spoke volume to me is this part of what you said

May I suggest to do so by example, not from a soapbox. We are told to "Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone." (Colossians 4:6). Nowhere does it tells us to make someone feel inferior or attacked when we speak the truth to them. There is a way to address false teachings and error without poking someone in the eye.

You speak as if you know me and know for a fact that I am not setting an example. You suggest that my words are harsh and that I am making people feel inferior or that I am attacking them with the truth. But have you read some of the things Jesus said? Have you read what Paul said in his letter? I'm pretty mild in comparison.....I have not called anyone children of Satan and have not called anyone dog or reprobate.

I think the problem is that some of us are not accustom to be told in Church that you are wrong but are given messages that soothing and comfortable. But that is not what I see in the Bible.....I see where Jesus even got angry at His disciples because of their lack of faith. I see where certain members in the Church had to be corrected; even an entire Church has to be reprimanded by Paul.

What I do know is that you are taking a day that someone has set aside to celebrate the birth of Christ, be it the wrong day, and attach a pagan celebration to it, which is not true. The Romans use to celebrate this day for the"Invincible Sun"; the Scandinavian celebrated this time as the Winter Solstice, known a Yule; the Germans use to celebrate this time as tree-worshiping; a very popular Mystery Cult devoted to the Persian god Mithras also honored their false god on that day. None of these are mentioned in the celebration of the birth of Christ by Christians, so you are attaching to this day what was never intended by those who celebrate this day as the birth of Jesus..

It is also known that December 25th was chosen because it is believed to be around the time Christ was conceived, nine months before his actual birth, believing that life began at conception.

I know you only by how you portray yourself. The difference between you and the Apostles is that they never added their own meaning to an issue, but stood only on the facts. If a Christian says they are celebrating a pagan day for Christ, then you would have a case. Yet, they are not. You are adding to what people actually doing because you feel you have to correct an error that is not there.

Can Christians use satanic rituals to honor God?

You still don't seem to be understanding what I am saying. Those who choose to celebrate Christ birthday, no matter which day they choose, are celebrating His birth. Why do you feel you have to attach anything to a celebration that was never the intent?

[Guest Bazz50]

You are so focused on your reason to do what you are doing that you did not even see what I was saying. That alone speaks volumes to me.

God Bless.

What spoke volume to me is this part of what you said

May I suggest to do so by example, not from a soapbox. We are told to "Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone." (Colossians 4:6). Nowhere does it tells us to make someone feel inferior or attacked when we speak the truth to them. There is a way to address false teachings and error without poking someone in the eye.

You speak as if you know me and know for a fact that I am not setting an example. You suggest that my words are harsh and that I am making people feel inferior or that I am attacking them with the truth. But have you read some of the things Jesus said? Have you read what Paul said in his letter? I'm pretty mild in comparison.....I have not called anyone children of Satan and have not called anyone dog or reprobate.

I think the problem is that some of us are not accustom to be told in Church that you are wrong but are given messages that soothing and comfortable. But that is not what I see in the Bible.....I see where Jesus even got angry at His disciples because of their lack of faith. I see where certain members in the Church had to be corrected; even an entire Church has to be reprimanded by Paul.

What I do know is that you are taking a day that someone has set aside to celebrate the birth of Christ, be it the wrong day, and attach a pagan celebration to it, which is not true. The Romans use to celebrate this day for the"Invincible Sun"; the Scandinavian celebrated this time as the Winter Solstice, known a Yule; the Germans use to celebrate this time as tree-worshiping; a very popular Mystery Cult devoted to the Persian god Mithras also honored their false god on that day. None of these are mentioned in the celebration of the birth of Christ by Christians, so you are attaching to this day what was never intended by those who celebrate this day as the birth of Jesus..

It is also known that December 25th was chosen because it is believed to be around the time Christ was conceived, nine months before his actual birth, believing that life began at conception.

I know you only by how you portray yourself. The difference between you and the Apostles is that they never added their own meaning to an issue, but stood only on the facts. If a Christian says they are celebrating a pagan day for Christ, then you would have a case. Yet, they are not. You are adding to what people actually doing because you feel you have to correct an error that is not there.

Can Christians use satanic rituals to honor God?

You still don't seem to be understanding what I am saying. Those who choose to celebrate Christ birthday, no matter which day they choose, are celebrating His birth. Why do you feel you have to attach anything to a celebration that was never the intent?

I don't need to attach anything to it....its already been attached to something....its roots came from pagans. But you side step my question, but I understand why. But here's another question...why did God forbade the Israelites from using pagan rituals to honor Him if it’s fine for Christians to adopt pagan celebration to honor Jesus?

[Guest]

For example, why do so many Christians observe Christmas despite the fact that Jesus was not born in December, as well as history shows that the Christmas celebration has its roots in paganism. Did not Jesus warn that many would be deceived and would be worshiping Him in vain because of men’s tradition?

One person celebrates the day to the Lord, and another does not. Both give thanks to God. I don't see a problem with that.

Did Paul observe Christmas and was that the issue?

This is another case of sowing strife with a non salvation issue. If a person wants to regard or celebrate a holiday unto the Lord, that's between them and the Lord. Where I have a big problem is when someone comes in with the attitude of I'm the only one with the truth and I'm right and everyone else is wrong. The whole holiday bashing thing comes up every year . . . and I prefer to press on.

How about spending less time arguing over holidays and more time sharing the Gospel? That's the only way a culture gets changed -- one heart at a time.

[Guest]

Bashing through the snow

Over the books we go

Picking all the way

Looking for a nay

So good to find a cause

Reflecting on the laws

Soon we will be so filled with light

We'll never have to fight!

Oh ~~~~~~~~

Interpreting Interpreting

Interpreting all the way

Oh what fun to pick and choose

What God has to say!

Oh ~~~~~~~

Interpreting Interpreting

Interpreting all the way

Oh what fun to pick and choose

And have the final say

sung to jingle bells of course

Nice! I'm gunna keep that one.

[OneLight]

You still don't seem to be understanding what I am saying. Those who choose to celebrate Christ birthday, no matter which day they choose, are celebrating His birth. Why do you feel you have to attach anything to a celebration that was never the intent?

I don't need to attach anything to it....its already been attached to something....its roots came from pagans. But you side step my question, but I understand why. But here's another question...why did God forbade the Israelites from using pagan rituals to honor Him if it’s fine for Christians to adopt pagan celebration to honor Jesus?

Yes, you are attaching other pagan celebrations to Christmas. Those who celebrate Christmas as Christ's birthday are doing just that, celebrating His birth. You are the one adding to their meaning, as if you know that everyone who uses the December 25th date is secretly celebrating a pagan day. Nobody ever said that no other religion has ever used the same day for different reason. You are taking all the reasons why this day is used and put them into a deep pot while stirring them all together to come up with what you are trying to say here. That is being very deceitful and dishonoring to those who do celebrate that day for Christ and for Him alone.

I did not side step your questions, I answered them all by repeating that those who celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December are not celebrating any other reason but His birth. You just keep trying to twist the real reason by adding in paganism rituals and beliefs. You do so while completely ignoring everything I have been saying.

I will leave this as an ending remark. I am closing this thread due to the OP taking this thread to spread untruths of those who celebrate a day unto the Lord as doing so by using satanic rituals.

Romans 14:1-13

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:

“

As

I live, says the Lord,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God.”

So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.