How Obama Engineered Mideast Radicalization [includes timeline]

[MorningGlory]

This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible.

[nebula]

All Egyptians including Christians are better of under democracy with all its manifest imperfections than under the dictatorship of Mubarak. That doesn't mean I'm a fan of the reactionaries of the MB. As to what I support. Well I'm a Libertarian Socialist so I would like to see a left-wing government that would introduce policies to give the milllions of Egyptians who currently live in poverty a decent life. Under Mubarak and of course still many of those living in squalor were and are Christians. The families living in filth on the rubbish tips of Cairo and Alexandria eking out a living recycling others trash are Christians. The only thing Mubarak did for them was to use the swine fever hysteria to have their pigs confiscated and slaughtered.

I keep hearing about increases in persecution of Christians in Egypt, not less.

Like this article

And if the Muslim Brotherhood succeeds in implementing Sharia Law (see here), what will you say then?

[MorningGlory]

This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible.

Didn't you know I write for "Investor's Business Daily?"

I'm shocked...shocked, I tell you!

[amor]

Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.

[MorningGlory]

Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.

The U.S. is often considered to be the arbitrator and supervisor of the world.....we are not. If Egypt wanted to overthrow Mubarak, they wouldn't need American anything to do so. Let's be real here.

[nebula]

Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.

I'm not sure how that matters. My concern is that you seem to be celebrating the end results. I am not convinced that with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge there will be any more "democratic processes" in Egypt for long.

[amor]

Well, my conrern or rather puzzlement is your seeming enthusiasm for an octoganarian dictator and your seeming belief that Egyptians unlike the British or Americans should not be allowed to choose their own government. As to the MB its success is at least in part down to the fact that it was the only opposition group with any freedom to organise at all under Mubarak. I'd also like to point out that rather than being some unstoppable dark political force their actually riven with division. As to a return to dictatorship well Tahir Square helped show the people how poweeful they are which makes taking such a step near impossible.

[nebula]

Did I ever show enthusiasm for Mubarak?

I view this as "jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire."

But there was a concept explained I wish I could recall better that explained it is unlikely for Democracy to work in the Mid-East on account of the mindset of the people. "Democracy" as we know it arose out of the thinking of the Enlightenment in Europe. That kind of mindset is needed for "democracy" to work and stick. And that isn't the kind of mindset that exists in these Mid-Eastern states.

[amor]

A concept undermined by the fact that there are democracies all over the rest of the non-European world and thst some vile dictatorships have existed within your enlightened zone. The name Adolf Hitler alone sinks your concept. Egyptians are pretty much the same as Americans.

[MorningGlory]

Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore.

He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office

and someone may want to get back at him.

Obama is just as hated in the Muslim world as GWB was.....read THEIR news sites for yourself.

That is true. Though he is helping the Muslim Brotherhood take over the middle east (not that they really need his help) Obama has had a lot of osama's people gunned down with drones. that makes him high on the bad list, for the worst thing anyone can do including any Muslim is to kill a Muslim without legal cause.

Obama is not a muslim.....look to actions and not the words of his enemies. I believe he is a Christian; he's just not a strong one. Being raised by an atheist is probably behind that.