enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Unity Unity basic 101 Unity I just love Unity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 But does it teach that physical death or spiritual death came because of Adam? Both. the day that Adam sinned, did he die physically or spiritually? Again, both. He immediately died spiritually and became separated from God, and also at that instant, he lost his immortality and physically began to die. Just as each day for us is a day closer to our physical deaths. could you point me to the bible passages that speak of this? If there was no death before Adam sinned, then by simple reasoning, if he had not sinned, he wasn't going to ever die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ro 5:17 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) NKJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 But does it teach that physical death or spiritual death came because of Adam? Both. the day that Adam sinned, did he die physically or spiritually? Again, both. He immediately died spiritually and became separated from God, and also at that instant, he lost his immortality and physically began to die. Just as each day for us is a day closer to our physical deaths. could you point me to the bible passages that speak of this? If there was no death before Adam sinned, then by simple reasoning, if he had not sinned, he wasn't going to ever die. I asked for Bible passages that support the idea that Adam lost his immortality and physically began to die. You are using circular reasoning here, not Biblical support. As far as simple reasoning goes, if Adam and all the animals were immortal why was the Tree of Life needed? And as far as simple reasoning goes, why was reproduction necessary if all animals were immortal? The Tree of Life 'IS' The Spirit of Christ living In the born again... It is the sealing of eternal life for all those who eat from It's boughs.... Seen in the Communion of His Body and His Blood... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joi Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 506 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 1,922 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 173 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/12/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2012 Tinky, I like what Clarke's Commentary has to say on this matter. Clarke's Commentary on the Bible Of the tree of the knowledge - thou shalt not eat - This is the first positive precept God gave to man; and it was given as a test of obedience, and a proof of his being in a dependent, probationary state. It was necessary that, while constituted lord of this lower world, he should know that he was only God's vicegerent, and must be accountable to him for the use of his mental and corporeal powers, and for the use he made of the different creatures put under his care. The man from whose mind the strong impression of this dependence and responsibility is erased, necessarily loses sight of his origin and end, and is capable of any species of wickedness. As God is sovereign, he has a right to give to his creatures what commands he thinks proper. An intelligent creature, without a law to regulate his conduct, is an absurdity; this would destroy at once the idea of his dependency and accountableness. Man must ever feel God as his sovereign, and act under his authority, which he cannot do unless he have a rule of conduct. This rule God gives: and it is no matter of what kind it is, as long as obedience to it is not beyond the powers of the creature who is to obey. God says: There is a certain fruit-bearing tree; thou shalt not eat of its fruit; but of all the other fruits, and they are all that are necessary, for thee, thou mayest freely, liberally eat. Had he not an absolute right to say so? And was not man bound to obey? Thou shalt surely die - מות תמות moth tamuth; Literally, a death thou shalt die; or, dying thou shalt die. Thou shalt not only die spiritually, by losing the life of God, but from that moment thou shalt become mortal, and shalt continue in a dying state till thou die. This we find literally accomplished; every moment of man's life may be considered as an act of dying, till soul and body are separated. Other meanings have been given of this passage, but they are in general either fanciful or incorrect. I think it is significant that the word die had not been uttered until God gave His directive to Adam about eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as noted in Gen. 2:17. Generally speaking when a word is repeated in scripture there is something new being brought to the forefront. Reading from this source is interesting: http://www.restorersofzion.org/RT_howtoread.htm (See #1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ro 5:17 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) NKJV again, this verse and the whole chapter seems to be pointing to spiritual death, not physical death. God 'IS' Spirit Jn 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." NKJV and an idol is to lift the corporeal into equality with Spirit... God created corporeal to adjust us to the beginning in an infinite reality... I am suspect it would have been to much for us to be placed into His fullness of Being from the get go as we see this in- if we look upon Him we would perish! We really need to give way to the Being of God as greater than assessments availability through our own begin! Therefore God leads us in stages to more and more as we are made able to receive... but never to look back toward the created begin but alway in spiritual progression toward God's fullness. Our death physically is nothing and to the spiritually mature a desire to be separated from toward gain in intimacy with God Our source in Love, Life, Realized in perfection In the Son... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The Tree of Life 'IS' The Spirit of Christ living In the born again... It is the sealing of eternal life for all those who eat from It's boughs.... Seen in the Communion of His Body and His Blood... Love, Steven The Spirit of Christ living In the born again was present in the Garden and needed to be guarded by cherubim with a flaming sword Yes... had Adam and Eve eaten of the tree of life after sin they would have been eternally sealed in sin. It was God Grace to prevent this till man could be brought to the place of New Birth in The Son... as is seen in this passage 1 Co 11:27-28 27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. NKJV The unworthy become the crucifiers... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ro 5:17 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) NKJV again, this verse and the whole chapter seems to be pointing to spiritual death, not physical death. God 'IS' Spirit Jn 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." NKJV and an idol is to lift the corporeal into equality with Spirit... God created corporeal to adjust us to the beginning in an infinite reality... I am suspect it would have been to much for us to be placed into His fullness of Being from the get go as we see this in- if we look upon Him we would perish! We really need to give way to the Being of God as greater than assessments availability through our own begin! Therefore God leads us in stages to more and more as we are made able to receive... but never to look back toward the created begin but alway in spiritual progression toward God's fullness. Our death physically is nothing and to the spiritually mature a desire to be separated from toward gain in intimacy with God Our source in Love, Life, Realized in perfection In the Son... Love, Steven Please indicate the questions because this is clear to me so I don't know where to answer! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The Tree of Life 'IS' The Spirit of Christ living In the born again... It is the sealing of eternal life for all those who eat from It's boughs.... Seen in the Communion of His Body and His Blood... Love, Steven The Spirit of Christ living In the born again was present in the Garden and needed to be guarded by cherubim with a flaming sword Jn 15:5 gives me permission to view this in this manner but elsewhere it is seen in wisdom, speech, etc. As I understand Christ's ultimate lesson of life being The First and The Last the Alpha and Omega Jn 14:6 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. NKJV Rv 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. NKJV As best as I can determine from Scripture all Life equates to, through, in and of The Son of God Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 8, 2012 to be very honest, I have no idea at all what you are trying to say. I might as well be reading on of my wife's nursing manuals! Well let's see how about this... That which ceases has no eternal value? Does that work? Then if God 'IS' only eternal and about eternal things then why do we focus on that which ends above that which does not? Mt 10:27-28 27 "Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell NKJV Wisdom is to approach the Bible in spiritual format loosing the confusion that exist in the created thing due to satan's control there of! By loosing the bonds of this physical present-> by reckoning what will be/more important than what is now... Or- the now only for what will be... Jn 12:25-26 25 He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor. NKJV It is seen in the Holiness of God stressed by Jude Jude 23 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh. NKJV Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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