So men and make-up....

[Qnts2]

My opinion on this: he's trying to hide his true self behind the make-up. (He would not admit that if asked; nor might he be consciously thinking this, but he is.)

While yes, seeing such things is painful and/or disgusting, we can choose to be angry and point fingers, or we can have compassion on the lost soul trapped in the prison of self-hatred.

I agree that we are to have compassion.

From my understanding, we are not to judge people by outward appearances. In this case, I believe we are to have compassion, find out what state they are in, and share the gospel of salvation if they do not know Jesus.

But, I tend to think that the answer to most of societies and peoples ills could be solved with the gospel of salvation. The exceptions are those which threaten the life and safety of other people, and these must be acted upon hopefully by civil authorities.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Qnts2

[nebula]

Very true, Qnts2.

[Sevenseas]

First question: Any thoughts about this moment (yes this happened in real life)?

Second question: Do you think this could be an example of the gender neutrality that is trying the spread across america at the moment?

Third question: This is an example of an "effeminate" male correct? Would he be an "abomination" as stated in scripture?

1. thoughts? mixed up person

2. no I don't think it is an example of gender neutrality...I think it sounds more like cross-dressing with makeup...not something new

3. I'm tired of the word abomination being thrown around these forums so I'll leave that to someone else LOL!

[revolutionist90]

We should keep in mind that while the fellow's behavior is a bit outside what most would consider "normal" he is still a human being for whom Christ died. The lost are going to act, well, lost whether the behavior is an abomination or not.

I don't think I or anyone else could forget the guy is still human. Does the word abomination give the idea that he is not anymore?

[revolutionist90]

Make up on both genders is nothing new.... a few hundred years ago both men and women painted their faces ( usually with lead paint that eventually killed them but they didnt know the dangers then ) It was not considered at all unusual and indeed it would have been considered very " common " and " not the actions of a gentleman or gentlewoman " to go in public without painting their faces and any other art of the body that could be seen. It is a fashion statment more than anything else and you normally find that those ( both men and women ) that feel the need to wear a lot of artificial " makeup " are insecure people who want to hide the real person from the world in fear of getting hurt .

Pray for them.

I am sorry you had that experience though as it must have been embarrasing

The event was embarrasing especially since I really didn't know what to call him. Most people who cross-dress have some understanding they are shifting into another gender so his anger confused me. In what culture did both men and women wear make-up? I guess I can see the guys once upon a time wearing powdered wigs and such but there was still a gender distinction in clothing.

[revolutionist90]

My opinion on this: he's trying to hide his true self behind the make-up. (He would not admit that if asked; nor might he be consciously thinking this, but he is.)

While yes, seeing such things is painful and/or disgusting, we can choose to be angry and point fingers, or we can have compassion on the lost soul trapped in the prison of self-hatred.

By true self do you mean that he is trying to hide his gender? I was upset but I didn't get angry or point fingers at him

[revolutionist90]

First question: Any thoughts about this moment (yes this happened in real life)?

Second question: Do you think this could be an example of the gender neutrality that is trying the spread across america at the moment?

Third question: This is an example of an "effeminate" male correct? Would he be an "abomination" as stated in scripture?

1. thoughts? mixed up person

2. no I don't think it is an example of gender neutrality...I think it sounds more like cross-dressing with makeup...not something new

3. I'm tired of the word abomination being thrown around these forums so I'll leave that to someone else LOL!

1. I agree

2. My point with gender neutrality is that he became angry when I called him a she which conveys to me that he wanted to be labeled a man despite the make-up. The point of gender neutrality is to blurr things like clothing and dress so that both genders should wear them without being labeled as gender based on clothing. This is what he seemed to be doing.

3. I haven't been on the forums long enough to hear the word being thrown around carelessly but if the word was used in scripture (It is a little common in scripture) and the topic was about the act that was stated in the scripture as an abomination...then well it will be used to correctly quote the scripture so I cannot understand your frustration at the moment unfortunately.

[Guest man]

First question: Any thoughts about this moment (yes this happened in real life)?

1 Samuel 16

⁷ But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Second question: Do you think this could be an example of the gender neutrality that is trying the spread across america at the moment?

No.

Third question: This is an example of an "effeminate" male correct? Would he be an "abomination" as stated in scripture?

Maybe I should restate the third question: Would his actions be considered an "abomination"?

For wearing make-up?

I'm gonna say no.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Edited April 10, 2013 by man

[The_Patriot21]

my opinion, if hes going to look like a woman he shouldnt get offended when people think hes a woman. If he doesn't want to be called a woman he shouldnt dress like it. He either needs to get rid of the makeup or grow a thicker skin. just my two cents.

[revolutionist90]

Okay so:

An unjust man is an abomination to the righteous, but one whose way is straight is an abomination to the wicked.Proverbs 29:27

Unjust and Unrighteous are synonyms:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Corinthians 6:9-11

With my understanding homosexuals has been translated to include those who act effeminate meaning that men act in a way that really reserved for women. So if those who are unjust are an abomination and those men who act effeminate are an abomination (with the new translations that include effeminate men with homosexuality) then the guy trying to wear the same make-up as a woman (remember that he looked like woman) is acting effeminate and thus acting unjust and thus his actions are an abomination.

@Man: I am not judging the guy. He is doing an act that I really thought was unjust. I don't think labeling him as effeminate and stating that the act is unjust is judgement. Aren't Christians suppose to have an understanding of what is unjust and unrighteous?