Where the 2 Witnesses (in the Revelation)will die?

[silviawang]

Where the 2 Witnesses (in the Revelation)will die?

Revelation 11 ⁸and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that is prophetically^* called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

----we know that JESUS died in Jerusalem,but Jerusalem seems never be Sodom and Egypt, neither in JESUS’ age nor in this age and the ages come,

And Bible calls the city they die in is" the great city"

Just in Revelation 11²but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

We see that Bible clearly named Jerusalem “the holy city”

So my question is:

If they will die in Jerusalem,but Jerusalem is clearly not Sodom and Egypt,and the “great city”clearly not the “holy city”

If they will die outside Jerusalem,then the place will not be the place “where also their Lord was crucified.”

So it seems very contradictory???

[Guest]

So my question is: If they will die in Jerusalem,but Jerusalem is clearly not Sodom and Egypt,and the “great city”clearly not the “holy city”

If they will die outside Jerusalem,then the place will not be the place “where also their Lord was crucified.”

So it seems very contradictory....

The Trouble With Jerusalem Is

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Matthew 23:37

It Is Not Yet Holy

And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: Isaiah 4:3

[Tinky]

It says Jerusalem at that time will "prophetically" or "allegorically" be called Sodom and Egypt because just like the Jews fleeing Egypt, and Sodom, they are told the flee the city to escape God's coming wrath. They are told in Matthew 24 to not even take the time to grab any possessions.

Also, Jesus was crucified outside the walls of Jerusalem - but still Jerusalem proper.

[Bible_Gazer]

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. KJV

Seem like the Lord can be crucify some where else . Spiritually

So if this is spirtually speaking most likely Sodom and Egypt is to.

Sodom = flesh and Egypt = Idolatry

Great City must be like the Bad city in Rev.18 where the evil spirits hang out. v3.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Bible_Gazer

[silviawang]

sometime the Bible is diffcult to understand

[wingnut-]

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. KJV

Seem like the Lord can be crucify some where else . Spiritually

So if this is spirtually speaking most likely Sodom and Egypt is to.

Sodom = flesh and Egypt = Idolatry

Great City must be like the Bad city in Rev.18 where the evil spirits hang out. v3.

Jesus wasn't crucified spiritually, He was crucified physically. The spiritual reference is in regards to the city, and Sodom and Egypt are both synonymous with sin throughout the bible, also mentioned together in Jude.

Jerusalem is not a city of Christians, and at this time in particular the a/c will have desecrated the temple and the Jews will most likely have fled to the mountains.

[silviawang]

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. KJV

Seem like the Lord can be crucify some where else . Spiritually

So if this is spirtually speaking most likely Sodom and Egypt is to.

Sodom = flesh and Egypt = Idolatry

Great City must be like the Bad city in Rev.18 where the evil spirits hang out. v3.

Jesus wasn't crucified spiritually, He was crucified physically. The spiritual reference is in regards to the city, and Sodom and Egypt are both synonymous with sin throughout the bible, also mentioned together in Jude.

Jerusalem is not a city of Christians, and at this time in particular the a/c will have desecrated the temple and the Jews will most likely have fled to the mountains.

Jerusalem is not a city of Christians---------yes

[Bible_Gazer]

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. KJV

Seem like the Lord can be crucify some where else . Spiritually

So if this is spirtually speaking most likely Sodom and Egypt is to.

Sodom = flesh and Egypt = Idolatry

Great City must be like the Bad city in Rev.18 where the evil spirits hang out. v3.

Jesus wasn't crucified spiritually, He was crucified physically. The spiritual reference is in regards to the city, and Sodom and Egypt are both synonymous with sin throughout the bible, also mentioned together in Jude.

Jerusalem is not a city of Christians, and at this time in particular the a/c will have desecrated the temple and the Jews will most likely have fled to the mountains.

Its the people that crucify Christ in there heart - spiritually as you read above in Hebrews 6

They rejected Christ after they have known him.

The street of the Great City --Sodom and Egypt--is Flesh(lust) and Idolatry(false religion)This is the same Woman in Rev.17- That Great City

This was the falling away time.

[wingnut-]

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

If we examine the sentence, it is clear the reference is to Jerusalem, and the spiritual reference is in regards to the city, not the crucifixion.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, where also our Lord was crucified.

Now it's clear by removing the spiritual reference what the meaning of the sentence is, and more importantly where it is. The missing segment is an added description in regards to the city the sentence is based on. It's not that complicated. The temple that will be built is not what God wants, why? Because its the old way of doing things, prior to Jesus. Since Jesus the temple is found within the believer, not a building constructed by man, God is not there. Who is there? The a/c, demanding that everyone worship him and proclaiming himself to be god, desecrating the temple. This is idolatry at its worst wouldnt you say?

Not everything in Revelation is a metaphor, some of it is very literal. The section regarding the two witnesses is a literal section with two inclusions of symbolism 1) the two olive trees and lampstands, and 2) the spiritual reference to the city which is really more of a comparison.

[Bible_Gazer]

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

If we examine the sentence, it is clear the reference is to Jerusalem, and the spiritual reference is in regards to the city, not the crucifixion.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, where also our Lord was crucified.

Now it's clear by removing the spiritual reference what the meaning of the sentence is, and more importantly where it is. The missing segment is an added description in regards to the city the sentence is based on. It's not that complicated. The temple that will be built is not what God wants, why? Because its the old way of doing things, prior to Jesus. Since Jesus the temple is found within the believer, not a building constructed by man, God is not there. Who is there? The a/c, demanding that everyone worship him and proclaiming himself to be god, desecrating the temple. This is idolatry at its worst wouldnt you say?

Not everything in Revelation is a metaphor, some of it is very literal. The section regarding the two witnesses is a literal section with two inclusions of symbolism 1) the two olive trees and lampstands, and 2) the spiritual reference to the city which is really more of a comparison.

So if we remove the spiritual part. (symbols)

The Great City Babylon which is really the city of Jerusalem ???

So do you think they(two Wit) are the one mention in Rev. 18 saying come out of her my people ?

And these people are the one that goes into wilderness. Rev.11 right ?

And do you think John measuring the Temple, that is in the great city.(future temple)

If so, these two Witnesses came from the temple right ?

He told John not the measure outside the Temple it is given to the Gentiles - So the Jews must have control inside of the Temple - correct ?

So the two witnesses could be Jews then.

If its all letiral.

Edited May 3, 2013 by Bible_Gazer