Torah Calendar

[gnomonist]

Don't know where to post this, so I just posted this in the general section.

Here's a neat site for gnomonists like me:

http://www.torahcalendar.com/HOUR.asp

Jesus stated "Are there not 12 hours in the day?" (alluding to what was then used as a hemispherium sundial)

These were "seasonal hours" as opposed to "equinoxial hours" we presently use.

The former divides the day (and night) into 12 equal parts. The latter is used to measure the earth's rotation with 15 degrees being an hour (actually, this is mean solar time, and the reality is that the day differs slightly from orbital irregularities and the earth's tilt).

Scientists consider time as a constant rate, and therefore favor the latter hours. But dividing the day into 12 hours is not to fulfill a goal of standard time rate, but rather the definition of the hour is to divide the day -- totally different concepts, and neither is "right" or "wrong". But with the Hebrew calendar, the seasonal hours is how time was intended to be kept and is technically right.

The only thing I differ with is the year. I believe the year is determined in Israel with the ripening of the barley. These fine folks go by the equinox (generally this is a moot point since they are related anyway). The idea behind the equinox is that there was no barley for Noah during the flood. There was no barley in the wilderness wanderings, and there is no barley in Israel if there is a drought.

OK, fine, but the barley was only observed when they got into the land of Israel. When there's a flood, there's judgement. When there's wandering in the wilderness there's judgement. When there's draught, that's judgement. These were not God's permananent or normal conditions for his people, but the barley observed in the land prophesied Messiah being born in the land, and is thus the "normal state" God expects his people. But.... if one is under judgement, I don't see the harm in the equinox. After all, the astronomical seasons are what determines the barley and in that sense is when the barley would probably ripen anyways if one was in the land.

[GoldenEagle]

So what are you asking gnomonist?

[gnomonist]

No, I wasn't asking anything except I was not sure if this was the section to put this in. It's a subject about biblcal time-keeping. I thought it may be interesting. I guess it does not take much to entertain me watching a circle going around.

[BlessedByTheBest]

hi gnomonist.

i think this should have been in prophecy... very interesting site and thank you for sharing. that calendar is accurate in extremes compared to others...

i don't mean to stray from what you wanted to speak about...

but i am curious what you think of this:

from http://www.torahcalendar.com/PLAN.asp

The end of The Present Age and the Age of the Messiah initiates the Age of Life or the Millennial Kingdom on Day 1 of Month 1 in Spiritual Year 6001.

Before the kingdom comes, the righteous dead are to be awakened by the sound of a shofar in Month 7 of Year 6000 (1 Corinthians 15:52).

The mistakes made by the Israelites in the Exodus from Egypt, were written to instruct the faithful who are alive and remaining at the end of the age - The Present Age and the Age of the Messiah (1 Corinthians 10:1-12).

When יהושע the Messiah was last on earth at the beginning of the Age of the Messiah, He said that He would always be with those who believe and obey Him - even to the end of the age (Matthew 28:19-20).

The marriage of the Lamb will take place in the first seven days of the Age of Life. The transition from the Age of the Messiah to the Age of Life occurs in the midst of Jubilee Year 120.

i checked this out, and found that according to the calendar, it would be between sunset 25 Sep 2014(Rosh Hashanah), and sunset 25 Oct 2014(Rosh Chodesh)

Jesus said: Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

do you believe it is possible to know the month?

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also:

The Creation Calendar's epoch (reference date) for the beginning of the Age of Life or the Future Age or the Millennial Kingdom is sunset in Jerusalem beginning Yom Ri-shon (the first day of the week) on Day 1 of Month 1 which is the first day in Spiritual Year 6001.

This moment is equivalent to 15:51 Universal Time on Saturday, March 21, 2015 C.E.on the Gregorian Calendar. At this time the marriage of the Lamb begins according to Revelation 19:6-9.

that moment is apparently give or take 30 minutes by their margin for error..

what do you think about this? does this hold any prophetic validity?

thank you, and love to you.

[gnomonist]

I'm suspicious of those who claim to know the year of the Lord's return. Of course this is based on the idea of Sabbatical years and Jubilee years. The problem is, let's say I can go back in time with a time machine. I can establish by looking at the sun the day, the month by the moon, and the year by the seasons and agricultural cycle. But I cannot reestablish the weekly Sabbath since that's just perpetual counting independent of astronomical cycles, and the same with the sabbatical years or Jubilee years. The exception is if I have some concrete astronomical datum where these days and years were known, and then calculate to another random date using astronomical cycles.

The weekly Sabbath pattern was never broken and to my knowledge, nobody ever disputed the seventh day. However, counting the years have been lost, and people dispute them. I'm sure scripture gives concrete hints when these are, but the problem is interpretation. Everyone and their brother seem to "know" what year it is. Another site says it's somewhere in the 2040's, not next year. I predict that Torah calendar site will be defunct within a year if they are saying stuff like that. However, their astronomical data (which probably comes from a program, not their personal knowledge) is very valuable so it can still be used without the need to believe their theology (nor do you have to feel obligated to believe their theology just because you use their data). I refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[BlessedByTheBest]

I'm suspicious of those who claim to know the year of the Lord's return. Of course this is based on the idea of Sabbatical years and Jubilee years. The problem is, let's say I can go back in time with a time machine. I can establish by looking at the sun the day, the month by the moon, and the year by the seasons and agricultural cycle. But I cannot reestablish the weekly Sabbath since that's just perpetual counting independent of astronomical cycles, and the same with the sabbatical years or Jubilee years. The exception is if I have some concrete astronomical datum where these days and years were known, and then calculate to another random date using astronomical cycles.

The weekly Sabbath pattern was never broken and to my knowledge, nobody ever disputed the seventh day. However, counting the years have been lost, and people dispute them. I'm sure scripture gives concrete hints when these are, but the problem is interpretation. Everyone and their brother seem to "know" what year it is. Another site says it's somewhere in the 2040's, not next year. I predict that Torah calendar site will be defunct within a year if they are saying stuff like that. However, their astronomical data (which probably comes from a program, not their personal knowledge) is very valuable so it can still be used without the need to believe their theology (nor do you have to feel obligated to believe their theology just because you use their data). I refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

thank you brother.

[psalmsamuel]

The only thing I differ with is the year. I believe the year is determined in Israel with the ripening of the barley. These fine folks go by the equinox (generally this is a moot point since they are related anyway). The idea behind the equinox is that there was no barley for Noah during the flood. There was no barley in the wilderness wanderings, and there is no barley in Israel if there is a drought.

 

November 28, 2013

UTC 6:30 - 7:30 PM UTC

Anchorge Alaska 9:30 - 10:30 AM UTC

Comet ISON Perihelion 6:41:38 PM UTC

Anchorge Alaska Sunrise 9:39 AM UTC

 

When the Cosmic Shift Begins at the Perihelion of Comet ISON, The Sunrise does not occur in Isreal, it occurs in Alaska.  Alaska would be the more perfect timezone (cosmological?), in this instance.  The Equinox of March is also when daylight savings are applied, (I guess simply because this is done some people refer to this as the beginning of the year).  Sabbatical 7 years/Jubilee 50 years, what year they first began on would probably be connected to some special celestial event, most recently the "star of bethlehem" at the birth of jesus, this probably represented the first Sabbitcal Year and the first Jubilee year, etc.  Jesus was Born in 7 B.C. then that is the first Sabbatical Year, likely also the first Jubilee Year.  Their calendars may have been rearranged several times though.  (These Years may have been marked by harvest seasons but they are not the likely originations, by far) (Jesus was born and crucified around the Equinox of March, possibly is this what you are alluding to as the origin of the most recent set of jubilee and sabbatical calculations?)

 

http://www.torahcalendar.com/HOUR.asp

 

Jesus stated "Are there not 12 hours in the day?" (alluding to what was then used as a hemispherium sundial)

These were "seasonal hours" as opposed to "equinoxial hours" we presently use.

The former divides the day (and night) into 12 equal parts. The latter is used to measure the earth's rotation with 15 degrees being an hour (actually, this is mean solar time, and the reality is that the day differs slightly from orbital irregularities and the earth's tilt).

Scientists consider time as a constant rate, and therefore favor the latter hours. But dividing the day into 12 hours is not to fulfill a goal of standard time rate, but rather the definition of the hour is to divide the day -- totally different concepts, and neither is "right" or "wrong". But with the Hebrew calendar, the seasonal hours is how time was intended to be kept and is technically right.

 

 

Spiritual References.  "Twelve Apostles", "Twelve Hours in the Day", "12 Tribes in the Covenant", Jesus gave a parable to the Rising and Setting of the Sun as a description of Heaven, and therefore the spiritually dead were in the Night Time, blind in the daylight because of sin, and blind at night because there was no physical light to discern their own judgment.

 

72 Degrees Earth Rotation = 115.6 Hours (Each Degree = 1.6 Hours)

72 Years = 1 Degree of Precessional Earth Wobble (360 Degree Precessional Cycle)

 

The Beginning of the 7th Hour of the Day is when the Hemispherium Sundial chart on the website you quote points to the Heavens ... Comet ISON Reaches Perihelion at about 7 PM UTC ... The Hemispherium Sundial in connected to a more correct Hebrew prediction may give us the exact date and hour of COMET ISON'S PERIHELION.

 

 

hi gnomonist.

i think this should have been in prophecy... very interesting site and thank you for sharing. that calendar is accurate in extremes compared to others...

i don't mean to stray from what you wanted to speak about...

but i am curious what you think of this:

from http://www.torahcalendar.com/PLAN.asp

The end of The Present Age and the Age of the Messiah initiates the Age of Life or the Millennial Kingdom on Day 1 of Month 1 in Spiritual Year 6001.

Before the kingdom comes, the righteous dead are to be awakened by the sound of a shofar in Month 7 of Year 6000 (1 Corinthians 15:52).

The mistakes made by the Israelites in the Exodus from Egypt, were written to instruct the faithful who are alive and remaining at the end of the age - The Present Age and the Age of the Messiah (1 Corinthians 10:1-12).

When יהושע the Messiah was last on earth at the beginning of the Age of the Messiah, He said that He would always be with those who believe and obey Him - even to the end of the age (Matthew 28:19-20).

The marriage of the Lamb will take place in the first seven days of the Age of Life. The transition from the Age of the Messiah to the Age of Life occurs in the midst of Jubilee Year 120.

i checked this out, and found that according to the calendar, it would be between sunset 25 Sep 2014(Rosh Hashanah), and sunset 25 Oct 2014(Rosh Chodesh)

Jesus said: Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

do you believe it is possible to know the month?

----

also:

The Creation Calendar's epoch (reference date) for the beginning of the Age of Life or the Future Age or the Millennial Kingdom is sunset in Jerusalem beginning Yom Ri-shon (the first day of the week) on Day 1 of Month 1 which is the first day in Spiritual Year 6001.

This moment is equivalent to 15:51 Universal Time on Saturday, March 21, 2015 C.E.on the Gregorian Calendar. At this time the marriage of the Lamb begins according to Revelation 19:6-9.

that moment is apparently give or take 30 minutes by their margin for error..

what do you think about this? does this hold any prophetic validity?

thank you, and love to you.

 

 

October 25, 2014 Euthanasia (marker date)

March 21, 2015 Rapture

 

You are correct in indicating a relative difference in this case about 5 months.  I agree with some of the language but dates and figures I don't find any credible comparison:

 

Galactic Alignment 12/20/2012 (Solar System Alignment Marker)

Comet ISON Perihelion 11/28/2013

 

1871660 Days total described by the Mayan Calendar Measurement Length, correspondingly there are 1872000 Days in 13 standard Baktun Periods of 144,000 days each. The difference is 340 Days, about one year.  Or 12/20/2012 to 11/25/2013 right in the ball pack of Comet ISON.  I believe this is what you are attempting to teach.

 

October 25, 2014 representing the Galactic Alignment and March 21 representing Comet ISON's perihelion.

Edited June 6, 2013 by Pecker

[other one]

According to Luke Jesus was born in 3 BCE

[Montana Marv]

Historians say that Herod the Great died in 4 BC.  He was visited by the Magi.  He ordered the death of many infants and children aged 3 and under to kill Jesus the King to be.  Mary and Joseph and the child fled to Egypt until they heard that Herod the Great had died.  So Jesus could have been born 6, 7 or 8 BC.  It can keep one guessing.  So could 70 AD really have been, say 77 AD  And then are we really in the year 2020 AD.  A lot of wonderment.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

[psalmsamuel]

 

Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the deity Saturn held on December 17 of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through December 23. The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn in the Roman Forum and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia

 

 

When Christ Was Born about 2000 Years Ago, the Tropical and Sidreal Zodiac Calendars both reported December 17, 2013 as the beginning of Capricorn.  The Tropical Zodiac, which follows the position of the sun to mark the Constellations now reports December 22, 2013 as the beginning of Caporicorn, this is due to precessional Shift. The Sidreal Zodiac, which follows the fixed positions of Stars to mark the Constellations now reports Sagittarius for December 17, 2013, this is due to Precessional Shift. The Sidreal Zodiac has shifted one whole Constellation forward from this date in 2000 years, the Tropical Zodiac has only shifted 5 Days.

 

When was Jesus Christ Born ... The Romans Celebrated the Explosion of Planet Mars as "Suovetaurilia" in the month of October, "Saturnalia" for the Birth of Christ.

 

 

Historians say that Herod the Great died in 4 BC.  He was visited by the Magi.  He ordered the death of many infants and children aged 3 and under to kill Jesus the King to be.  Mary and Joseph and the child fled to Egypt until they heard that Herod the Great had died.  So Jesus could have been born 6, 7 or 8 BC.  It can keep one guessing.  So could 70 AD really have been, say 77 AD  And then are we really in the year 2020 AD.  A lot of wonderment.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

 

The Galactic Alignment Marks the Second Coming of Christ, what is true today for the Universe today, that was true 2000 years ago, a few facts:

 

1. Solstice Precessional Alignment 1980, 1998, 2012, 2016 (alignment 2000 years ago marked Shift of Capricorn)

2. Pluto's Transition of Capricorn 2008 - 2014

3. Saturn Storm Cycle 28.5 years 1990 - 2018 (5 B.C. A Storm in Saturn Began)

 

Pluto in Capricorn 42-61 AD 

Beginning of the Early Christian Era. Apostle James becomes the first Christian martyr, Apostle Paul travels to Greece, Paul writes Letters to the Corinthians. http://www.judyjoyceastrology.com/?page_id=44

 

 

Jesus Christ was Born on the first Sabbatical Year then this would be in 7 B.C. ... 49 Years Later would be 42 A.D. the last Sabbatical Year that marked the Jubilee Year.

 

Sabbatical Year Periods:

7 B.C.

7 A.D. (No Year Zero)

14 A.D.

21 A.D.

28 A. D.

35 A.D.

42 A.D.

 

The 50th Year was a Jubilee Year in which all the conflicts of the land were resolved at that time.  So the 49th Year which was the last 7 years of 7 Sabbatical Sets marked the Jubilee Year, and marked the time when the Apostles began to give themselves up to reconcile the Church with Christ, to redeem the Church with Christ.

 

Cassini data has revealed a loss of acetylene in the white clouds, an increase of phosphine, and an unusual temperature drop in the center of the storm. As of April 2011, the storm underwent a second eruption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Spot

 

 

December 17, 7 B.C. Christ was Born and, April Christ Died.  Christ Died at the end of a Jewish Sabbatical Year, which would of been the last year of a 7 year period, this is a logical conclusion.  The death of Christ would of had to occurred ... 35 A.D. according to our calculation.  However if the Sabbatical was not observed it would of been in 33 A.D., the method we used to arrive at the conclusion makes this date less likely. Cough Cough ... I decided to change my position.

 

December 17, 7 B.C. Christ was Born

April 18, 28 B.C. Christ Died

 

The end of the Sabbatical Year that Coincided with the Storm Cycle length of Planet Saturn.  (Jesus didn't look 40ish, he looked light 30ish) (The Date of Easter Marks the Crucifixion) (April 18 is when Aries Begins for the Sidreal, 2000 years ago Taurus would of began on April 18, 28 B.C. this coincided with SATAN as Taurus is a picture of Satan this was true for the Exodus, almost 2000 years before the crucifixion (about 2000 years before the Crucifixion was the "Age of Taurus", Earths Precessional Axis would of tilted, so we know approximately when this was done)

 

 

Thanks for the Responses

Edited June 7, 2013 by psalmsamuel