For Those Who Fear They've Committed The Unpardonable Sin

[Guest Butero]

Butero, I was all set to answer your last post to me point-by-point, but then I thought, "why bother?"

 

 

This thread is ruined. I so wanted it to be a positive one among so many negative threads. I wanted this thread to offer people a little hope - a little comfort.

 

 

But according to what you preach, we can never have true hope, or real comfort. 

 

 

I'm going to request this thread be closed for good. I can't stand to read any more of your works-righteousness, pride-driven, Old Testament Law-keeping, glory-sharing "gospel."

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I agree that this thread has run it's course.  We all agree that if you want to be saved, you didn't commit the unpardonable sin.  That was established long ago.  I am having a hard time with your telling people that they can't go an hour without sinning, which is clearly not Biblical.  I am having a difficult time with you telling us that you can't go a whole day and love God with your whole heart?  Yes, they should close this thread. 

[Openly Curious]

 

 -- Openly Curious

I have to respectfully disagree with you here Tinky. I use to think that "no" Christian could commit the unpardonable sin but this is what changed my mind. The scripture in...... Romans 10:13 says........"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved".........The "WHOSOEVER" in this verse of scripture literally means anybody without respect of persons that God will forgive them for there tresspasses and sins. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Now listen to the words that Jesus spoke in the scripture found in - - Matthew 12:31-32 says - - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy "Shall" be forgiven unto men: - but - the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost "Shall Not" be forgiven unto men. And "WHOSOEVER" - speaketh a word against the Son of man - it - "Shall" be forgiven him: - - But - -"WHOSOEVER"- speaketh against the Holy Ghost, - it - "Shall Not" - - be forgiven him, - - neither in this world, - - neither in the world to come. (sorry for the continued underlining here it seems that my bold, underline and shift down buttons are stuck???) - - - - - - - -But getting back to the subject the word "whosoever" literally means just that, if any one including Christians and sinners alike. For if anyone commits the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost then they "will not" ever be forgiven for doing so in this world and in the world to come.

Shiloh -- Reply

You're pushing the "whosoever" thing a bit too far. In both cases, the word "whosoever" is referring to sinners/unbelievers. Why would Christians call on the Lord to be saved, as they are already saved. The offer is made to unbelievers in that whosoever among them calls upon the Lord will be saved. In the same way, the "whosoever" in Matt. 12 is referring to unbelievers. It makes no sense to include believers in either passage you cite above.

Explain this: Why would a Chrisitan blaspheme the Holy Spirit in the first place?? How could a person filled, indwelt and empowered by the Holy Spirit blaspheme the same Holy Spirit? Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an attempt to slander God's reputation. It is rooted in unblief. So how could a believer commit a sin that is rooted in denying the very one He believes in?

Openly Curious -- Reply

No Shiloh I am not pushing the "Whosoever" in the scripture to far.  The word "whosoever" is a pronoun and is found in the scripture 165 times.  In each one of those 165 times it is used as a pronoun and literally means - Any, whoever, whatever person.  It is only your "assumption" that whosoever does not include any, whoever and whatever person.  The word whosoever cannot be limited only to unbelievers for you cannot limit whosover to a certain group of people to do so is bad interpretation in and of itself by difinition. 

 

I am not ashamed to say "I do not know why a Christian would blaspheme the Holy Ghost".  I cannot understand why a person would turn away from God and become a God hater but they do for many and various reasons.  I do no know why after Jesus fed the multitude of people that followed him to turn and followed him no more.  But Jesus told the multitude that  "you only follow me because I feed you" and many turned back from following Jesus at that point.   In the scriptural passage found in the book of.......

 

2 Peter 2:20-22 - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the later end is worse with them than the beginning  

 

 -- Openly Curious

"Whosoever" denies and speaks out against the power (works) that God did through his only begotten Son will be eternally lost because of their own profession.

 

Shiloh -- Reply

That is a common mistake people make. In the context of Matt. 21, the "speaking against the Holy Spirit" is referencing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You need to follow the line of thought. Secondly, the reason it is unforgiveable is because the kind of person who would commit such a sin is irretrievably wicked. They have no moral compunction no shame or remorse for their sin. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit stems from a heart that is caught in a determined and inmovable rejection of Jesus.

 

[Tinky]

Butero: I am having a difficult time with you telling us that you can't go a whole day and love God with your whole heart? 

 

 

 

That's not what I said. I said the Bible commands that we love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength all the time - do you?

 

 

You preach sinless perfectionism, but you admit your own life is not free from sin. That's hypocritical.

 

 

Anyhow, I'm done.

[GoldenEagle]

At the request of the OP (Tinky) this thread is closed. Time to move on to another discusion.