Robert Fisk on Arafat

[other one]

shilo, I don't understand how so many people can forget these facts that you post here, if they ever bothered to learn them in the first place.

It is so frustrating for me............

[amor]

First of all amor, Israelis are NOT settlers!!!  The West Bank and Gaza are Jewish Land.  It is Land that was not only given to them by God, but was given to them under the British Mandate.  The Arabs are the settlers.  The West Bank belongs to the Jews and they can build any where they see fit.  Bethlehem is Jewish, Hebron is Jewish, Ramallah is Jewish, Nablos is Jewish, all of those cities are sitting on Jewish Land.  It is the Arabs who are infringing on Israeli territory.  Israel has every right to run the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.  They have not done so.  They have been willing to give land for peace, and they have only been repaid with bloodshed. The more the Israelis build the better.  The Palestinians waived their right to one square inch of Israeli land when they resorted to terrorism.  They deserve nothing from Israel.

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Firstly Shiloh, since the occupants of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza call themselves settlers, I think that is a fair term to describe them.

Secondly, I don't accept that you can drive people off their land because someone else feels they have a religious right to it.

Thirdly, the British promise to the Zionists made it clear that the right to create a jewish "homeland" was not to be done at the expense of the civil or religious rights of the established population. See here

[Guest shiloh357]

First of all amor, Israelis are NOT settlers!!!

[other one]

Firstly Shiloh, since the occupants of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza call themselves settlers, I think that is a fair term to describe them.

Secondly, I don't accept that you can drive people off their land because someone else feels they have a religious right to it.

Thirdly, the British promise to the Zionists made it clear that the right to create a jewish "homeland" was not to be done at the expense of the civil or religious rights of the established population.

[amor]

Firstly Shiloh, since the occupants of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza call themselves settlers, I think that is a fair term to describe them.

Secondly, I don't accept that you can drive people off their land because someone else feels they have a religious right to it.

Thirdly, the British promise to the Zionists made it clear that the right to create a jewish "homeland" was not to be done at the expense of the civil or religious rights of the established population.

[Guest shiloh357]

Firstly Shiloh, since the occupants of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza call themselves settlers, I think that is a fair term to describe them.

Secondly, I don't accept that you can drive people off their land because someone else feels they have a religious right to it.

Thirdly, the British promise to the Zionists made it clear that the right to create a jewish "homeland" was not to be done at the expense of the civil or religious rights of the established population.

[amor]

Firstly Shiloh, since the occupants of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza call themselves settlers, I think that is a fair term to describe them.

Secondly, I don't accept that you can drive people off their land because someone else feels they have a religious right to it.

Thirdly, the British promise to the Zionists made it clear that the right to create a jewish "homeland" was not to be done at the expense of the civil or religious rights of the established population.

[JohnS]

To the victor goes the spoils. Get over it.

A dog can be taught by repetition. Perhaps if the Arabs would quit attacking, they would quit losing.

[Guest shiloh357]

Surprisingly enough a lot of people do flee their homes when faced by war and potential death, as many people did recently in Fallujah. That is not a justification for not allowing them to return. Recently people on these boards have criticised those civilians who chose to stay in Fallujah when faced by military action, here you condemn those Palestinian civilians who chose to flee from war.

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No amor you miss the point. The reason I posted all of that is that you blame Israel for "ethnic cleansing," by running them off of their land and stealing their homes. I have proved from Arabic sources that they did not get run off their land as you so ineptly claim, but were told to flee by the invading Arabs who were planning a war of extinction to destroy Israel. I am not condemning the Palestinians for fleeing from war, I am condemning your twist of the facts and revision of history. Your baseless and false allegations are the object of my condemnation.

Furthermore, Israel has been prevented by the Arabs from repatriating the Palestinians. This is understandable. The only weapon that the Arabs have that is effective against Israel is the Palestinian refugee crisis. If the Palestinians are successfully repatriated by Israel, then the Arabs lose their weapon. It is to the Arabs' advantage to keep the Palestinians refugees.

The difference between Arabs and Jews here is obvious. When the war broke out in 1948, over 600,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab/Muslim countries. They came to Israel, and their fellow Jews took them in and absorbed THEIR refugees. The Arabs do not have the integrity or the moral fortitude to do that for their refugees. What's worse, is that the Arabs created the refugee crisis. They are the reason the Palestinians are refugees, and they admit it in the quotes I gave you above. They created their own refugees, and yet it is Israel that is expected to solve a problem they did'nt create.

Folks like you need to get your heads out of the sand and learn some real history on this issue. You are woefully lacking facts and are obviously not knowledgeable on the nature or history of the conflict.

[apothanein kerdos]

Armor, I believe you to be intelligent. THus I fail to accept that you can so absolutely ignorant of history. So why don't you just admit you hate Jews and you hate Israel and would like to see them leave so you can at least come across as an intelligent racist?