other one Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,268 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,001 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 LOL. That's hilarious. The governments that are able to are already surveilling their citizens; they don't need the NSA's blueprints to conduct surveillance on their citizens. The countries that aren't doing it is because they don't have the funds for it. As for how to evade the NSA surveillance; the people who can are already privy to that information. Any Chinese hacker worth their salt already knows how to do this! Gandolf, snowden took an oath in the name of God not to do what it appears he has done........ he has no excuse. Now if he thinks the end justifies the punishment, then he can feel vindicated....... but he still broke a solemn oath, and God himself told us not to break any oath. Says not to take an oath, but if you do, not to break it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 LOL. That's hilarious. The governments that are able to are already surveilling their citizens; they don't need the NSA's blueprints to conduct surveillance on their citizens. The countries that aren't doing it is because they don't have the funds for it. As for how to evade the NSA surveillance; the people who can are already privy to that information.Any Chinese hacker worth their salt already knows how to do this! Gandolf, snowden took an oath in the name of God not to do what it appears he has done........ he has no excuse. Now if he thinks the end justifies the punishment, then he can feel vindicated....... but he still broke a solemn oath, and God himself told us not to break any oath. Says not to take an oath, but if you do, not to break it.God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted July 15, 2013 LOL. That's hilarious. The governments that are able to are already surveilling their citizens; they don't need the NSA's blueprints to conduct surveillance on their citizens. The countries that aren't doing it is because they don't have the funds for it. As for how to evade the NSA surveillance; the people who can are already privy to that information. Any Chinese hacker worth their salt already knows how to do this! Gandolf, snowden took an oath in the name of God not to do what it appears he has done........ he has no excuse. Now if he thinks the end justifies the punishment, then he can feel vindicated....... but he still broke a solemn oath, and God himself told us not to break any oath. Says not to take an oath, but if you do, not to break it. God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse. And yet God has given us multiple, clear examples of either outright lying or the use of deception that was rewarded by God and even at time commanded by God. Do you believe that God has broken his own rules? Did God lie when he told us not to lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.08 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse. Okay, gandalf, enough already. You keep criticizing our government (which you only know by the media) and never say a single word about your own country....Britons are the most surveilled people on planet Earth and you know it. What are you doing to change your own government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkTheWay Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/24/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) And yet God has given us multiple, clear examples of either outright lying or the use of deception that was rewarded by God and even at time commanded by God. Do you believe that God has broken his own rules? Did God lie when he told us not to lie? I'm not familiar with those examples of direct lying... Are you able to provide a quick summary of those? Edited July 15, 2013 by WalkTheWay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse.Okay, gandalf, enough already. You keep criticizing our government (which you only know by the media) and never say a single word about your own country....Britons are the most surveilled people on planet Earth and you know it. What are you doing to change your own government? Everything I possibly can! But it isn't easy; we don't even have a Constitution to point to re. the right to freedom, which makes it all the more galling to see US citizens failing to cherish their freedom and privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkTheWay Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/24/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 Right, what you are seeing is the propaganda machine in motion. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,268 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,001 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 LOL. That's hilarious. The governments that are able to are already surveilling their citizens; they don't need the NSA's blueprints to conduct surveillance on their citizens. The countries that aren't doing it is because they don't have the funds for it. As for how to evade the NSA surveillance; the people who can are already privy to that information. Any Chinese hacker worth their salt already knows how to do this! Gandolf, snowden took an oath in the name of God not to do what it appears he has done........ he has no excuse. Now if he thinks the end justifies the punishment, then he can feel vindicated....... but he still broke a solemn oath, and God himself told us not to break any oath. Says not to take an oath, but if you do, not to break it. God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse. If they have taken an oath to tell the truth and lie they go to jail.... But just during daily work and theydo so, God will deal with that. But we do have some security jobs and military that deception and secrecy is called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted July 15, 2013 And yet God has given us multiple, clear examples of either outright lying or the use of deception that was rewarded by God and even at time commanded by God. Do you believe that God has broken his own rules? Did God lie when he told us not to lie? I'm not familiar with those examples of direct lying... Are you able to provide a quick summary of those? I did say lying or out right use of deception... here are a few... Tamar deceived Judah into having sex with her...her consequence was to be in the linage of Jesus. Abraham deliberately deceived, yet God seems to have blessed him pretty well. Jacob, clearly lied and deceived. He lied to his Father to receive his blessing. God seems to have blessed him well for his actions. Joshua deceived whole nations by spying on them, and he did so at the command of God. Then there is the most famous liar of all Rahab, If not for her lie we would not know of her. Her lie was praised by God. There is also Gideon, who, on God's orders, deliberately deceived the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.08 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2013 God also told us not to lie or deceive. Some in the US Government did that! What is their punishment? They have no excuse. Okay, gandalf, enough already. You keep criticizing our government (which you only know by the media) and never say a single word about your own country....Britons are the most surveilled people on planet Earth and you know it. What are you doing to change your own government? Everything I possibly can! But it isn't easy; we don't even have a Constitution to point to re. the right to freedom, which makes it all the more galling to see US citizens failing to cherish their freedom and privacy. Most of us DO cherish those things and we also don't like traitors. The majority of us here are very angry with the government and most do not trust them. Like you over there, we are going to have to change our government from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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