What do you think about breastfeeding? Cover or no cover?

[JDavis]

My ex-wife breastfeed. But in public she would go to the car or the bathroom if we were in public.

If a private place is convenient, then great. But not all women circumstances are convenient for a woman to tuck herself away. Example, a woman at a restaurant shopping with her baby and a toddler. Should she leave her toddler alone at the table? Or do you expect her to pack up all her stuff and her toddler to the women's bathroom where there might not be a sanitary place to place her bags nor a place to keep her toddler occupied?

If a public bathroom has a lounge with chairs, great. But are you advocating a woman sit on a toilet to feed her baby? Would you want to eat your dinner while sitting on a public toilet?

If breasts are just for breastfeeding and not sex. Then it should be ok for women to walk around topless, the way that men do. A lot of men when they got to hot, working for instance just take there shirt right off. Nothing is ever said it is wrong. So why can't women do the same thing?

Your argument is just as irrational as me replying that your attitude is not different than the Muslims who demand women wear burkhas. After all, your case is that women have to bend over backwards in order to guard men from their lust-problems. Well, this is what the advocates of burkhas proclaim.

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

Well said,

[nebula]

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

 

 

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

[JDavis]

My ex-wife breastfeed. But in public she would go to the car or the bathroom if we were in public.

If a private place is convenient, then great. But not all women circumstances are convenient for a woman to tuck herself away. Example, a woman at a restaurant shopping with her baby and a toddler. Should she leave her toddler alone at the table? Or do you expect her to pack up all her stuff and her toddler to the women's bathroom where there might not be a sanitary place to place her bags nor a place to keep her toddler occupied?

If a public bathroom has a lounge with chairs, great. But are you advocating a woman sit on a toilet to feed her baby? Would you want to eat your dinner while sitting on a public toilet?

If breasts are just for breastfeeding and not sex. Then it should be ok for women to walk around topless, the way that men do. A lot of men when they got to hot, working for instance just take there shirt right off. Nothing is ever said it is wrong. So why can't women do the same thing?

Your argument is just as irrational as me replying that your attitude is not different than the Muslims who demand women wear burkhas. After all, your case is that women have to bend over backwards in order to guard men from their lust-problems. Well, this is what the advocates of burkhas proclaim.

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Then you advocate that all women wear burkahs since for some men just the shape of the breast through clothing is enough to bring about lust.

You can't have it both ways

[firestormx]

 

 

 

 

 

I really think you have no intention with comments like this other than provoking me into a fight or anger. By your logic, there is nothing in the New testament says we should wear clothes, so women should just walk around naked, and if someone gets offended, then oh well, it's there problem. Common sense says a exposed breast will lead most men to think sexual thoughts. Therefore any Christian woman who acts on her God given right to breastfeed should do so in a way she is not putting herself or her breasts on public display. She should do it in all modesty and humbleness of mind. Remembering those brothers and sisters in Christ who are weaker. Not making a display or show, but meeting the needs of the child in a Christ like mind.

I have no desire to make anyone angry, I am just pointing out that words have meanings. you stated there are no exemptions to the "don't cause one to stumble" rule. It seems we both agree there is a limit to how far we are expected to take this, even if the Bible does not list exemptions.

As you pointed out, 99% of men find the breast to be sexual, whether it is covered or not. Men that struggle with the sin of lust, as you have used in your example, do not need a breast to be bare to lust. Sadly as one that has struggled with this sin for 35 years, I speak from experience. I used the example in my last post about a turtle neck sweater. I used this by design as there was a woman at a church I attended many years ago that wore such a sweater and it did cause me to lust. Should she have been told not to wear the sweater? Of course not, she was not trying to make me stumble, and in fact she was not, it was my issue, not hers

I do not feel a nursing mother and her child should be put out because men cannot control their thoughts. I disagree with you that the intent of the woman does not matter, a woman just wanting to tend to her baby should is very different than a woman wearing tight or revealing clothing.

And I agree that a woman should not just bare all for the world to see, but she can be discrete and still not make her child suffer by having to nurse covered and blocked from the view of the mother.

A nursing baby is eating it's food.

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

If a woman nursing in public, feeding her baby food from an exposed breast causes offense, or causes someone to stumble, then scripture is clear. It is wrong!

You just cant make up your mind.

Have a great night, i just cant handle this sort of inconsistency

My mind is made up. Also it's against the TOS for you to make this about me. Please stick to the subject. I posted a Bible verse. If you don't like the verse, then your problem is with the scripture and not me.

The problem is not the verse, it is in the application.

You apply it to breast feeding but nothing else.

I am pretty sure the verse is not speaking of breast feeding only

 

I have a friend who believes eating pork is a sin. So when I am around him, guess what, I don't eat pork. I know this verse applies to more than just breastfeeding, but that is the subject of the conversation. It's wrong according to scripture, period. I gave you the verse. Showing you in scripture it's wrong. Look, I'm not trying to argue with you. I believe that the verse I gave you above, includes eating anything that causes another to stumble. That is the context of the verse as I understand it. I don't know it all, and I don't claim too. Who knows, maybe this is one of those, " work out your own salvation in fear and trembling" things. But for me, the scripture is clear. The verse I gave you is clear. It's wrong.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

My ex-wife breastfeed. But in public she would go to the car or the bathroom if we were in public.

If a private place is convenient, then great. But not all women circumstances are convenient for a woman to tuck herself away. Example, a woman at a restaurant shopping with her baby and a toddler. Should she leave her toddler alone at the table? Or do you expect her to pack up all her stuff and her toddler to the women's bathroom where there might not be a sanitary place to place her bags nor a place to keep her toddler occupied?

If a public bathroom has a lounge with chairs, great. But are you advocating a woman sit on a toilet to feed her baby? Would you want to eat your dinner while sitting on a public toilet?

If breasts are just for breastfeeding and not sex. Then it should be ok for women to walk around topless, the way that men do. A lot of men when they got to hot, working for instance just take there shirt right off. Nothing is ever said it is wrong. So why can't women do the same thing?

Your argument is just as irrational as me replying that your attitude is not different than the Muslims who demand women wear burkhas. After all, your case is that women have to bend over backwards in order to guard men from their lust-problems. Well, this is what the advocates of burkhas proclaim.

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Then you advocate that all women wear burkahs since for some men just the shape of the breast through clothing is enough to bring about lust.

You can't have it both ways

 

No. I used the bible, the final authority on all matters to us here and now, to show my specific point was scripturally valid.  

[firestormx]

 

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

 

 

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

 

I will answer your question as soon as you come up with a way to refute the Word of God that I gave.

[nebula]

 

 

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

 

 

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

 

I will answer your question as soon as you come up with a way to refute the Word of God that I gave.

 

 

Let me see here, is the mother eating anything?

 

So then are you telling me the baby is sinning by eating it's mother's milk in public?

[GoldenEagle]

Hey guys I know this is getting a little heated. Please let's remember to just stick to the subject.

Take a breather or a brake from this thread if you're getting too emotionally involved.

This is just a discussion not a matter of life or death.

God bless,

GE

[JDavis]

 

 

 

 

My ex-wife breastfeed. But in public she would go to the car or the bathroom if we were in public.

If a private place is convenient, then great. But not all women circumstances are convenient for a woman to tuck herself away. Example, a woman at a restaurant shopping with her baby and a toddler. Should she leave her toddler alone at the table? Or do you expect her to pack up all her stuff and her toddler to the women's bathroom where there might not be a sanitary place to place her bags nor a place to keep her toddler occupied?

If a public bathroom has a lounge with chairs, great. But are you advocating a woman sit on a toilet to feed her baby? Would you want to eat your dinner while sitting on a public toilet?

If breasts are just for breastfeeding and not sex. Then it should be ok for women to walk around topless, the way that men do. A lot of men when they got to hot, working for instance just take there shirt right off. Nothing is ever said it is wrong. So why can't women do the same thing?

Your argument is just as irrational as me replying that your attitude is not different than the Muslims who demand women wear burkhas. After all, your case is that women have to bend over backwards in order to guard men from their lust-problems. Well, this is what the advocates of burkhas proclaim.

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Then you advocate that all women wear burkahs since for some men just the shape of the breast through clothing is enough to bring about lust.

You can't have it both ways

 

No. I used the bible, the final authority on all matters to us here and now, to show my specific point was scripturally valid.  

 

 

and, according to what you have posted on this thread, this verse means that ANYTHING that causes someone to stumble must be stopped. 

 

So, again...there are men, myself including in my younger days, to which the very site of shape of a breast through a woman's clothing would cause them to stumble with lust.  So, either you advocate that all Christian women wear burkahs or you are not being consistent in your application of this verse. 

 

So, do you agree all Christian women should wear burkahs to avoid causing men to stumble? 

[firestormx]

 

 

 

Romans 14:20 (NIV)

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

 

 

And since you are so concerned about causing stumbling in a believer, how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?

 

I will answer your question as soon as you come up with a way to refute the Word of God that I gave.

 

 

Let me see here, is the mother eating anything?

 

So then are you telling me the baby is sinning by eating it's mother's milk in public?

 

No, the mother is committing the sin.

 

Now, to answer your question. you said

 

 "how about the females who are feeling tempted to distrust and hate men by the catering to men's lusts being advocated in this thread? Is that loving?"

 

I quoted a verse. A established biblical position that I have rooted in the word of God. If me quoting a verse, A bible verse, that says eating anything that causes another to stumble is wrong, causes a person to hate and distrust, then my response is they need to repent and seek Jesus. It is a emotional response, whether by man or woman, to a biblical conversation. Hate in the new testament is equal to murder. It is sin. If that is the response quoting the word gets. If asking someone to use the word of God to show how this is wrong, and this is the response.....I really don't know what to say other than I will pray for you.