Is listening to secular music wrong?

[Orr v'emet]

Living ~ I don't think you understand what you are saying. First off, I have no superiority context. I don't think I'm better or any of that, I simply think i have studied this issue in a deeper manner than most. Doesn't make me better, it simply means that I have a better understanding on this issue.

Thanks for clarifying since I'm too ignorant to know exactly what I'm speaking of. Whenever you can learn a little more humility and stop making assumptions about others we might be able to get somewhere.

[apothanein kerdos]

Living ~ I don't think you understand what you are saying. First off, I have no superiority context. I don't think I'm better or any of that, I simply think i have studied this issue in a deeper manner than most. Doesn't make me better, it simply means that I have a better understanding on this issue.

Thanks for clarifying since I'm too ignorant to know exactly what I'm speaking of. Whenever you can learn a little more humility and stop making assumptions about others we might be able to get somewhere.

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Kristin, I am merely showing you the consequences of what you said. If you have a problem with that and would rather attack me go ahead. But I'd rather you acknowledge that by saying, "I don't believe it glorifies God" is exalting yourself into the place of the Holy Spirit or at least discount it.

[Orr v'emet]

This is going nowhere SJ. I am not placing myself in the role of the Holy Spirit. I think I am entitled to express my opinion on the matter.

[apothanein kerdos]

This is going nowhere SJ.  I am not placing myself in the role of the Holy Spirit.  I think I am entitled to express my opinion on the matter.

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But when that opinion practicaly condemns the brethren it is wrong (unless there is scripture behind it). I mean, if you want to say, "Not my cup of tea" or "I wouldn't listen to it" or "I can't get anything out of it" then that's perfectly okay. But to say, "I don't think it brings glory to God" is to automatically judge those who do listen to that music. That's telling them, "In my opinion you're not bringing glory to God". Do you see the problem in that? It prevents fellowship with those who are that way.

I'm not saying you can't have opinions, I'm saying sometimes opinions can go too far if they aren't backed up with scripture.

[crab3]

just an outsiders pov, your both right and wrong in your own ways and this really is going nowhere, i agree with both of you

[Orr v'emet]

This is going nowhere SJ.

[soulwinner]

Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin. You said it was not a spiritual song. Therefore by you listening to it you cant be filled with the spirit according to the verse in eph5:18 a person that is filled with the spirit, sings spiritual music in their heart not unspiritual so not being filled with spirit is not good and you know that you should be filled so it would be a sin in my book and yes i believe i can go so far as to say that the bible exhorts us to use scripture in this manner 2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: I am posting some info on the history of rock and so called christian rock

[soulwinner]

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In the world of biology, we are given the example of a frog that when placed into boiling water, will immediately jump out. However, if that same frog is put into a bowl of cool water which is slowly heated by a bunsen burner, the frog will eventually boil to death.

Religious rock and roll is like the frog and the water. The term "rock and roll" means fornication. It is a street name for sexual immorality. It has wrecked the lives of many teenagers through suicide, drug abuse, immorality, perversion, satanism, etc. Sadly, we live in a day where many Christians and church leaders are allowing this demonic music into their churches, claiming that the music is holy and sanctified because the lyrics are changed to include some 'religious' words. Where is the discernment in the church? Are Christians losing their ability to discern the difference between good and evil? The fact that this demonic music even made it into the church is proof of the moral and spiritual decline affecting the church today. We are being invaded by hard rock, acid rock, punk rock, new wave, and heavy metal music under the guise of religious rock and roll.

[soulwinner]

God says in His Word:

"O that there were such a heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!" (Deut 5:29).

"Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light" (Eph 5:6-8).

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Heb 3:13).

Satan was created a beautiful musical creature: "...every precious stone was thy covering,...the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created" (Ezek 28:13). Since music was built into his very nature are we foolish enough to assume that he will not use it to deceive and enslave?

We are told by the religious rockers that we must look and sound like the world in order to reach the youth of this generation. They say, many young people will not listen to the gospel or come to church so we must meet them on some common ground. That common ground is rock and roll. In other words, they are saying that preaching of the Word of God is no longer sufficient for both young and old. If this is true, then we should open bars in order to reach the multitudes of drinkers. We should open porno-shops in order to reach those who engage in smut. Shouldn't we go to their level so we can bring them to the Lord Jesus Christ? So what if we do evil if the end result is good? What's a little compromise with God's standards of holiness and separation if it results in souls being saved?... This type of reasoning is one of the doctrines of demons that Christians are accepting. Does it not make sense that the same Bible that has worked sucessfully to this time, will continue to work for both the young and the old? How many Christians love God's people enough to say, "no more! Throw this satanic filth out of the church and back into hell where it belongs"? Do you realize that just 10 years ago this evil music would not have even remotely been considered as a suitable method to sing and praise God. That type of music would have been immediately thrown out of the churches. What we are witnessing today is the spiritual and moral degeneration that is affecting Christians to the degree that many no longer have any discernment between good and evil.

[soulwinner]

HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL

This is a brief section on the history of rock and roll. If you are a Christian and you don't realize that secular rock is evil and demonic then you better get your spiritual eyes examined because you have big problems. One distressing problem about the religious rock scene is that many involved also listen to secular rock and roll. At some of the concerts put on by the religious rockers they sometime "warm" up their audiences by playing secular rock and roll songs.

As you read the history of rock and roll, observe how Satan brought in his rock music in the 1950's and slowly degenerated it to it's present level of baseness. Watch how Satan slowly turned up his bunsen burner until his music developed to it's present low. The following information was taken from a chart from Freedom Village U.S.A. called History of rock and roll, Major influence chart.

Early Rock: Mid 50's - Early 60's

Message: Seemingly harmless music and lyrics promoted "good times". Also promoted dancing the new dance fads. "Teen Idols" were worshiped by teenage girls and being "cool" was in for boys. The stage was being set for rebellion by the "greaser" image. Music: Blend of "Big Band" with its powerful physical dance influence and "rhythm and blues", based on African rhythm patterns. Tempos and rhythm patterns were smooth and "catchy". Melodies created a very whimsical "Happy Days" atmosphere.

Main Performers: Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and The Comets, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Platters, Four Seasons, Smokey Robinson & the Miracles, and James Brown.

British Invasion, Motown Music, Folk Music: Early 60's - Late 60's

Message: Introduction to stronger rebellion theme which was to be the thread through all future rock music. It promoted free sex, drugs, and rebellion, presenting them as harmless fun. Also introduced false religions . Folk groups promoted anti-establishment attitudes and appearances.

Music: British influence hardened the American music by taking out the swing beat and putting in a more frenzied pace tempo. Motown added to the driving, repetitious rhythms with its "soul music". Main Performers: Beatles, Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, The Temptations, Bob Dylan, Peter, Paul and Mary, Supremes, Simon and Garfunkle, Shirelles, Four Tops, and the Mama's and Papa's.

Acid or Hard Rock: Late 60's - Early 70's

Message: Huge rock concerts promoted free sex, open drug and alcohol abuse, and a total do-your-own-thing attitude. Lyrics preached rebellion, no morals, and no responsibilities. Drugs became synonymous with rock music. Stage violence begins. Sharper focus on false religions.

Music: Developed more repetition and a hypnotic effect. More rhythm, more volume, and more violence became the dominant force of songs. Groups actually destroyed equipment on stage. Early beginning of "cross-dressing" and use of make-up by men.

Main Performers: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, The Doors, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Joan Baez, Grateful Dead, and Chicago