What Gospel did Paul preach?

[Knowingtruth]

2Ti 2:8  Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

 

 

"according to my Gospel" - meaning not the Gospel of Luke, in which there is a clear account given of the resurrection of Christ, said to be written by him, at the instigation, and under the direction of the apostle, and published with his approbation, as some think; but the doctrine of the Gospel, and which he calls his, not because he was the author, or the subject of it; for in these respects it is the Gospel of God, and of Christ; but because it was committed to him, and he was intrusted with it, and fully and faithfully preached it; and in distinction from another Gospel, that of the false teachers; and agreeably to this doctrine, which the apostle everywhere taught, Christ was raised from the dead; so the Ethiopic version renders it, "as I have taught".

 

"His" gospel is the gospel of an apostle that did not walk with Christ and see his resurrection. It is the "same" Gospel in that what he told was no different than the others.

Unfortunately, his preaching in many cases deviate from the Gospel we know of now.

[Knowingtruth]

 

Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

Typically when people attempt to negate the Biblical teachings of Paul the end goal is to negate the miracles performed by Jesus and ultimately the divinity of Jesus Christ Himself.

 

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with such a thread?

 

God bless,

GE

 

My intention is to recognize the limitations of Paul based on the Gospel. His concepts should conform to the four books of the Gospel and other NT books of the apostles and others.

 

I think, Thomas Jefferson had cut out miracles of Jesus from his copy of the Bible.

[Knowingtruth]

 

Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

 

Paul's Gospel was the same exact Gospel that every Apostle taught.  No difference.  He preached Jesus, as God Himself in human form crucified and resurrected for the substitutional sacrifice for our sins.  That is Paul's Gospel.  Same as Matthew's.  Same as Mark's.  Same as Luke's.  Same as John's.  Same as Peter's.  No difference in any of their Gospels.  They all preached and taught the same thing.  Only the audiences they preached that Gospel to were different in some cases

 

The Gospel "we all know now" was the result of Paul being directed by Christ to spread that Gospel predominantly to the Gentiles  instead of the Jews so that that Gospel would eventually reach the world.

 

What would the motivation be for discrediting Paul?

 

1 Corinthians 3:1-9 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly--mere infants in Christ.  2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.  3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?  4 For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men?  5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.  6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow.  7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.  8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.  9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

 

Paul would not have considered "his" Gospel as any different than that of any other Apostle or fellow worker who was preaching Christ crucified.  Nor would he have considered it "his" in a possessive or different sense.

 

I do not think it is right to assume that Paul taught identically the same Gospel written by Matthew, Mark, John and Luke. We see different versions and statements within the four gospels. What statements did Paul's gospel contain? We do not know because Paul has never quoted anything from the four books!

[Knowingtruth]

2 Tim 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Scripture at that time referred to the OT.

Edited September 11, 2013 by Knowingtruth

[ayin jade]

2 Tim 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

Im going to add to that. The verses below show that the apostles considered paul's letters on the same level as scripture. 

 

2 Peter 3 

15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him

16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).

[ayin jade]

 

So the bible is not accurate?

It has to be understood through the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is not according the letter, but by the Spirit. Otherwise, it is no different from the OT leading to same misunderstood concepts.

 

 

But if you claim paul didnt teach the gospel, you are saying his letters in the bible are not the word of God. Therefore inaccurate. 

[ayin jade]

 

 

Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

 

 

 The Apostle Paul warned in the strongest possible terms about the attitude of God toward those who would pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ. We can understand this, as it cost God his only son, and Jesus a horrible death by crucifixion. He stated:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.   As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8, 9

 

But he had limited exposure to the Gospel. Peter,probably, would not have told all the things that happened in the ministry of Jesus. There are things that Paul preached that do not conform to the Gospel. Like calling himself as a father or defining someone as teacher, etc.

 

Paul received the full gospel, as taught by Jesus Himself. The bible also states he was taught for 3 yrs after he converted to Christianity (verse 17).

 

Galatians 1

11 And, brothers, I make known to you the gospel which was preached by me, that it is not according to man.

12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it except by a revelation of Jesus Christ.

[Knowingtruth]

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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

Paul was to the gentiles  as Moses was to the Israelites.  Moses delivered the Israelites out  of physical labor.  Paul delivered the Gentiles out of the spiritual labor of law.    Paul's gospel brought in the salvation of grace.  The Bible says, the law was nailed to Christ's cross.  The cross abolish the law, though many still want to hang on to it.  Also says by the deeds of the law no flesh can be saved.   The law never had power to completely save an individual.   Paradise was as close as they could get to heaven.   Christ died and went to paradise and took them to heaven.  Even today no man can be saved unless it by simple faith, just as Abraham had, when God accredited righteousness to him when he believed God.  Grace by faith is a free gift of Christ.  There was and is some different  between what Jesus and the disciples taught.  It was from law to grace.  Remember, Peter at Cornelius's  house.  He told him, it was unlawful for me to be in his house (a gentile).  When he got to the Jerusalem council they contended with him over the matter, but he explain it to them how God had sent him there.  Ro  m. 15:8 states that Christ was the minister to the Jews, 15:16 says paul was the minister to the gentiles.   Paul was definitely the main character(after Christ) in the new testament.  Peter verified that in 2cd Peter 3:15-16.  he is given credit for over half of the new testament.

Relationship between Moses and Israelites and Paul and Gentiles are different. Moses belonged to Israelites, not Paul to Gentiles. The Law was not nailed to the cross. God did not give something to be wasted. The Law was fulfilled in Christ because it was incomplete. As you say, salvation is a simple faith in abiding with the law of Christ, not trying to come up a convenient commentary of complicated Paul's writings that were written to refute complex philosophy of Greeks. The context cannot be superimposed now.

[kwikphilly]

Galations 2:1-10     verse8 (For He who worked effectively in Peter for the APOSTLESHIP to the circumsised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles)

Greek....apostolos(messenger)

 

I suppose this can be interpreted however one sees it......................praise Jesus!!!!!

                                                                                                                              With love,in Christ-Kwik

[WIP]

 

2 Tim 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Scripture at that time referred to the OT.

 

 

The previous verse referred to the OT "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The verse I quoted says ALL scripture.