Pastor attacked by Atheist

[Burning_Ember]

 

I remember a time when all Christian clergy were respected, even by non-believers and those who were fallen. Even the Italian mafia were respectful towards Catholic priests. Even during the brutal Middle Ages, places of worship and monasteries were often places of sanctuary as they were respected and left alone during times of war.

When I was growing up, vicars and bishops were given respect even by those who did not believe and did not attend church.

Nowadays, things have changed so much that people of faith, especially clerics and ministers are targets of abuse.

Could you blame this merely on the growth of secularism? Possibly, but not quite, because if you use this logic, then Atheists would equally target Muslim Imams, Hindu priests and so on, but unfortunately they seem to reserve most of their hatred for Christianity and for Judaism, the only faiths that recognise the one true God..

This is the sign of something more sinister than a mere 'falling away'. This is the sign of the End Times. Satan is behind this.

Hmmmm.

 

Let's see Peter was crucified upside down and embraced the Cross tenderly.  John was thrown in boiling oil and came out unscathed. He was then exiled, but they only did him and us a favor doing so, now we have the book of Revelation. Christian's were thrown to the Lions in Pagan Rome. Some were drawn and quartered. One Disciple was thrust through with a spear after an Asian King had him from tossed from some great height and it did not kill him

 

Christian's in China face persecution daily.

 

Pastor Saeed Abedeeni is still in jail in Iran.

 

In Saudi Arabia if you  possess a Holy Bible you will go to jail.

 

In Egypt the Coptics are having their Churches burnt down by radical Muslims while Catholic Nuns are being paraded around like cattle chained and taunted then ultimately killed.

 

A young lady in Vietnam who refused to deny her Savior after being told to spit on an open Bible picked it up and wiped it clean of others spittle with her long lovely hair only to have a Communist shoot her through the back of the head while others watched in horror.

 

 

I'm not certain what has changed other than we are now seeing persecution right here in the States.

 

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

[Guest man]

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

 

 

I agree.

[alphaparticle]

This looks like a family/domestic violence issue more than atheist vs Christian, truly. It makes it more interesting to make it the latter I guess, but it looks a lot more trivial to me.

[GoldenEagle]

 

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

 

 

I agree.

 

 

I would agree with you as well.

[Matthitjah]

 

 

I remember a time when all Christian clergy were respected, even by non-believers and those who were fallen. Even the Italian mafia were respectful towards Catholic priests. Even during the brutal Middle Ages, places of worship and monasteries were often places of sanctuary as they were respected and left alone during times of war.

When I was growing up, vicars and bishops were given respect even by those who did not believe and did not attend church.

Nowadays, things have changed so much that people of faith, especially clerics and ministers are targets of abuse.

Could you blame this merely on the growth of secularism? Possibly, but not quite, because if you use this logic, then Atheists would equally target Muslim Imams, Hindu priests and so on, but unfortunately they seem to reserve most of their hatred for Christianity and for Judaism, the only faiths that recognise the one true God..

This is the sign of something more sinister than a mere 'falling away'. This is the sign of the End Times. Satan is behind this.

Hmmmm.

 

Let's see Peter was crucified upside down and embraced the Cross tenderly.  John was thrown in boiling oil and came out unscathed. He was then exiled, but they only did him and us a favor doing so, now we have the book of Revelation. Christian's were thrown to the Lions in Pagan Rome. Some were drawn and quartered. One Disciple was thrust through with a spear after an Asian King had him from tossed from some great height and it did not kill him

 

Christian's in China face persecution daily.

 

Pastor Saeed Abedeeni is still in jail in Iran.

 

In Saudi Arabia if you  possess a Holy Bible you will go to jail.

 

In Egypt the Coptics are having their Churches burnt down by radical Muslims while Catholic Nuns are being paraded around like cattle chained and taunted then ultimately killed.

 

A young lady in Vietnam who refused to deny her Savior after being told to spit on an open Bible picked it up and wiped it clean of others spittle with her long lovely hair only to have a Communist shoot her through the back of the head while others watched in horror.

 

 

I'm not certain what has changed other than we are now seeing persecution right here in the States.

 

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

 

Just today a report came out about how the U.S. Government through the Pentagon is telling new recruits that the most dangerous terrorist groups in the U.S are Evangelicals and the Tea Party.

 

Meanwhile, the Obama Admin. is busy using the IRS to persecute Christian groups seeking tax deferred status. While Obamacare has sought to shut out Catholic Hospitals.

 

.....and your point was.....??????

 

I was speaking generalities by the way, but denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

 

P.S. Toadies are the first shot in the head after their usefulness has worn out their welcome. Please keep an eye on what your dear friend George Soros is doing. It will soon effect Canada as well. It's not surprising that American Christianty is beginning to experience persecution it will help refine us and require us to examine what it is that our Faith is all about. There are whole denominations now Marrying Gays and embracing all manner of open rebellion and sin.

[Matthitjah]

I'd add that we've allowed our Religion to become an idol in America so it's also not surprising that God would topple it.

[Guest man]

I'd add that we've allowed our Religion to become an idol in America so it's also not surprising that God would topple it.

 

 

How so?

[Burning_Ember]

 

 

 

I remember a time when all Christian clergy were respected, even by non-believers and those who were fallen. Even the Italian mafia were respectful towards Catholic priests. Even during the brutal Middle Ages, places of worship and monasteries were often places of sanctuary as they were respected and left alone during times of war.

When I was growing up, vicars and bishops were given respect even by those who did not believe and did not attend church.

Nowadays, things have changed so much that people of faith, especially clerics and ministers are targets of abuse.

Could you blame this merely on the growth of secularism? Possibly, but not quite, because if you use this logic, then Atheists would equally target Muslim Imams, Hindu priests and so on, but unfortunately they seem to reserve most of their hatred for Christianity and for Judaism, the only faiths that recognise the one true God..

This is the sign of something more sinister than a mere 'falling away'. This is the sign of the End Times. Satan is behind this.

Hmmmm.

 

Let's see Peter was crucified upside down and embraced the Cross tenderly.  John was thrown in boiling oil and came out unscathed. He was then exiled, but they only did him and us a favor doing so, now we have the book of Revelation. Christian's were thrown to the Lions in Pagan Rome. Some were drawn and quartered. One Disciple was thrust through with a spear after an Asian King had him from tossed from some great height and it did not kill him

 

Christian's in China face persecution daily.

 

Pastor Saeed Abedeeni is still in jail in Iran.

 

In Saudi Arabia if you  possess a Holy Bible you will go to jail.

 

In Egypt the Coptics are having their Churches burnt down by radical Muslims while Catholic Nuns are being paraded around like cattle chained and taunted then ultimately killed.

 

A young lady in Vietnam who refused to deny her Savior after being told to spit on an open Bible picked it up and wiped it clean of others spittle with her long lovely hair only to have a Communist shoot her through the back of the head while others watched in horror.

 

 

I'm not certain what has changed other than we are now seeing persecution right here in the States.

 

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

 

Just today a report came out about how the U.S. Government through the Pentagon is telling new recruits that the most dangerous terrorist groups in the U.S are Evangelicals and the Tea Party.

 

Meanwhile, the Obama Admin. is busy using the IRS to persecute Christian groups seeking tax deferred status. While Obamacare has sought to shut out Catholic Hospitals.

 

.....and your point was.....??????

 

I was speaking generalities by the way, but denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

 

P.S. Toadies are the first shot in the head after their usefulness has worn out their welcome. Please keep an eye on what your dear friend George Soros is doing. It will soon effect Canada as well. It's not surprising that American Christianty is beginning to experience persecution it will help refine us and require us to examine what it is that our Faith is all about. There are whole denominations now Marrying Gays and embracing all manner of open rebellion and sin.

 

You mind citing some reliable sources for each of those things so I can tear those arguments down?

[Sevenseas]

 

 

 

 

This is the sign of something more sinister than a mere 'falling away'. This is the sign of the End Times. Satan is behind this.

 

Bit flamboyant perhaps?  The man has a history of anti-social behavior.  IMO, he was not exhibiting a plan of satan.  To be sure satan has plans and I am sure

this fellow does not need further instruction.  However, I would hardly describe the incident as a sign of the times.  The NT has many episodes of those spreading

the gospel being attacked, put in prison, publically flogged and so on.

 

This is one isolated incident...not a nation-wide rash of beatings.  The police have him locked up and are aware of his criminal past.  It's not like they condoned the

beating.  If you see the police condoning the beatings of Pasors generally?  Then, IMO, you assume the worst

 

Actually, Satan is behind this although the young man is ulitmately responsible for his behavior and whom he serves. I pray that he comes to Christ through all of this and is Saved.

 

 

Did I say otherwise?  I don't say it is a specific plan though and I don't think there is any evidence to support that if the article is factual.

 

As I stated, Christians were persecuted all the way through the NT.  I differ from those who expressed seeing some kind of trend or that this specific incident is a

harbinger of the end.  

 

As I said, if this was a generally occuring or starting to occur incident, by athiests who were actually non-violent outside of beating up a pastor, then I would say

something is up.

[Matthitjah]

 

 

 

 

I remember a time when all Christian clergy were respected, even by non-believers and those who were fallen. Even the Italian mafia were respectful towards Catholic priests. Even during the brutal Middle Ages, places of worship and monasteries were often places of sanctuary as they were respected and left alone during times of war.

When I was growing up, vicars and bishops were given respect even by those who did not believe and did not attend church.

Nowadays, things have changed so much that people of faith, especially clerics and ministers are targets of abuse.

Could you blame this merely on the growth of secularism? Possibly, but not quite, because if you use this logic, then Atheists would equally target Muslim Imams, Hindu priests and so on, but unfortunately they seem to reserve most of their hatred for Christianity and for Judaism, the only faiths that recognise the one true God..

This is the sign of something more sinister than a mere 'falling away'. This is the sign of the End Times. Satan is behind this.

Hmmmm.

 

Let's see Peter was crucified upside down and embraced the Cross tenderly.  John was thrown in boiling oil and came out unscathed. He was then exiled, but they only did him and us a favor doing so, now we have the book of Revelation. Christian's were thrown to the Lions in Pagan Rome. Some were drawn and quartered. One Disciple was thrust through with a spear after an Asian King had him from tossed from some great height and it did not kill him

 

Christian's in China face persecution daily.

 

Pastor Saeed Abedeeni is still in jail in Iran.

 

In Saudi Arabia if you  possess a Holy Bible you will go to jail.

 

In Egypt the Coptics are having their Churches burnt down by radical Muslims while Catholic Nuns are being paraded around like cattle chained and taunted then ultimately killed.

 

A young lady in Vietnam who refused to deny her Savior after being told to spit on an open Bible picked it up and wiped it clean of others spittle with her long lovely hair only to have a Communist shoot her through the back of the head while others watched in horror.

 

 

I'm not certain what has changed other than we are now seeing persecution right here in the States.

 

While that stuff happening in other countries is awful, Christians are about one of the least persecuted groups in America.

 

Just today a report came out about how the U.S. Government through the Pentagon is telling new recruits that the most dangerous terrorist groups in the U.S are Evangelicals and the Tea Party.

 

Meanwhile, the Obama Admin. is busy using the IRS to persecute Christian groups seeking tax deferred status. While Obamacare has sought to shut out Catholic Hospitals.

 

.....and your point was.....??????

 

I was speaking generalities by the way, but denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

 

P.S. Toadies are the first shot in the head after their usefulness has worn out their welcome. Please keep an eye on what your dear friend George Soros is doing. It will soon effect Canada as well. It's not surprising that American Christianty is beginning to experience persecution it will help refine us and require us to examine what it is that our Faith is all about. There are whole denominations now Marrying Gays and embracing all manner of open rebellion and sin.

 

You mind citing some reliable sources for each of those things so I can tear those arguments down?

 

If I thought for even one millisecond that you were actually interested in being educated on the subject I might be your Huckleberry.