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"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God."

 

Who is creation and the sons of God they are referring too.

When does the revealing happen, at rapture?

 

Blessings. - DRS81

 

 

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sons of God references before the resurrection of Jesus were referring to the angels, but after Jesus rose and we could be spiritually born as sons of God it can also refer to born again Christians

 

it is my opinion it is speaking of us.

 

 

 

Rom 8:18-25

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
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Like Other One said the Sons of God are believers. Creation is all compassing and includes the angels and a personified universe I think. 

 

This revealing takes place when Jesus returns.

 

Heb 9:27-28  Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,  (28)  so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
 

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Blessings DRS,

    I believe it is true what other one & ninhao have said but ALSO as it is in full context I think the revealing of the sons of God is as it says"the promise of redemption of our bodies"...which I take it as being us & given our glorious new bodies....boy,thats exciting!

                                                            Love ya...in Christ-Kwik

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Yes Kwik great observation !

 

1Co 15:51-53  Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--  (52)  in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  (53)  For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
 

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Yes Kwik great observation !

 

1Co 15:51-53  Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--  (52)  in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  (53)  For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

 

Blessings ninhao.

I have an interesting question.

I've seen this scripture before.

Does the 'last trumpet' refer to the Feast of Trumpets event in Hebrew calendar or no.

It can't be the seven trumpets in tribulation, because those seven only occur after rapture.

 

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Blessings ninhao.

I have an interesting question.

I've seen this scripture before.

Does the 'last trumpet' refer to the Feast of Trumpets event in Hebrew calendar or no.

It can't be the seven trumpets in tribulation, because those seven only occur after rapture.

 

- DRS81

 

 

The trumpet blast signifies the appearance of God.

 

Exo 19:16-17  On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.  (17)  Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain.

 

I'm not sure about this connection with the feast of trumpets because that is a Jewish Holy Day which represents a call to repentance ? I don't know much about this sorry.

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"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God."

 

Who is creation and the sons of God they are referring too.

When does the revealing happen, at rapture?

 

Blessings. - DRS81

 

All Creation - Non rational portion of the created order either living or nonliving.  Read: "all nature."

 

The "sons of God refers to us, redeemed humanity (as opposed to those who choose to die separated from God).

 

The revealing refers to the time when we realize the final aspect of our redemption, namely when sin is eradicated and we have our glorified bodies.

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Blessings ninhao.

I have an interesting question.

I've seen this scripture before.

Does the 'last trumpet' refer to the Feast of Trumpets event in Hebrew calendar or no.

It can't be the seven trumpets in tribulation, because those seven only occur after rapture.

 

- DRS81

 

 

The trumpet blast signifies the appearance of God.

 

Exo 19:16-17  On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.  (17)  Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain.

 

I'm not sure about this connection with the feast of trumpets because that is a Jewish Holy Day which represents a call to repentance ? I don't know much about this sorry.

 

 

No, that's a good answer. I don't know much about the Jewish calendar either. Thank you everyone. OP makes more sense to me now. Blessings all. 

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All creation means all that was created... for the purpose of gleaning from humanity those who would be adopted sons and daughters of God through faith in the Messiah Jesus who died on the cross and rose from the dead our debts to pay.

 

The reveal will be IMHO when the general resurrection happens and all bow the knee to Jesus and then the sheep are separated from the goats. Then only will all know for sure who the sons of God are.

 

The rapture, when properly understood, will be a small remnant of believers that survives to the midway point of the 70th week of Daniel.

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