Can every Believer be rich/blessed/favored/speak-in-tongues/be healed?

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There are spiritual riches available to us in Christ, and there is no doubt of that. Yes, I believe God can and still does heal today. Have I ever seen someone in a wheelchair get up and walk in person? No. I've heard testimonies I believe to be true, and not from anyone on TBN.

 

The problem I have with the prosperity gospel is where it puts God. Jesus did not suffer that agony on the cross so I could treat God like a slot machine. . . just put in the prayer quarters and yank the handle, and He'll spew to your heart's content - or so some prosperity preacher would have me believe. On the other extreme, God is made to sound like some kind of a cosmic Mafia Don: Give Him His "cut" (i.e. tithe, "plant that $1000 seed!") or He won't bless you and you'll be "cursed." Truly a deal you can't refuse! (That the money is to be sent to the preacher's ministry that's preaching this is interesting too.)

 

In other words: God winds up second to something else: Man. Man becomes the center, with God sounding more like a genie in a bottle or a servant -- and that's a huge problem. Just sayin'.

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

Wow, take 1 day off from these forums and there is quite a list to respond to. Where to start? I will start with the first one.

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

Blessings CurseoftheRodain,

      Actually the Word blessing means Gods favor/promoting happiness(short definition).....and of course God can prosper a man financially but true prosperity & riches have nothing to do with money....this is why Jesus warned us how hard it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God....His Word is the treasure.....

    And I am sure what I am about to add may cause a bit of controversy but it has since the second century.......Any good reliable Bible translation will always note at the end of Marks Gospel that in the final chapter verses 9-20 may be a later addition. The oldest and most respected manuscripts end with the 8th verse,Codex Sinaiticus & Codex Vaticanus.Fourth Century Eusebius noted that all the Greek manuscripts did not contain verses nine through twenty,There is a great probability that it was not even written by Mark as there is no continuity from the 8th verse to the ninth and the word usage is unlike the rest of the entire Gospel.....just a thought

                                                                                                                         With love in Christ-Kwik

And every believer is NOT guaranteed healing ,Gods Word says that God will have Mercy on who He will have Mercy on......He is not a genie in a lantern ,there to grant your every wish

Blessings right back at you Kwikphilly,

 

The word blessing does literally mean "empowered to prosper" - doing a word study in the orignal Hebrew proves this.

If blessing didn't mean "empowered to prosper", but rather, referred to being saved from sin, then how is God, in the original Hebrew scriptures, referred to in Genesis 1 as "THE BLESSED ONE" if He has not and never could commit a sin (thereby how could He be saved from sin?). (This is reminiscent of how Jesus asked the Pharisees how David could refer to the Savior as Lord...).

 

Secondly, blessing cannot mean favor, but rather in the NC we see that favor is exactly the word for grace. And favor is mentioned many times in the OC and earlier. The Blessing provides the empowerment to prosper, whereas the favor of God provides the opportunities to prosper. Every time favor is mentioned it has to do with some form of prosperity. Every time blessing is mentioned it has to do with what is outlined in the first mention of the word blessing in Genesis 1:28 (all 5 of those things).

 

Thirdly, if true prosperity has nothing to do with physical riches, then why does God "BLESS" Abraham and make him EXTREMELY RICH with GOLD and SILVER, FLOCKS, CAMELS, HERDS, DONKEYS, SERVANTS? If true prosperity is ONLY spiritual, then HOW did GOD BLESS Abraham with all this physical wealth? God CANNOT bless anyone with ANY form of physical wealth if true prosperity means only spiritual things.

This is a contradiction in terms and cannot be reconciled; these facts cannot be tossed aside for a "poverty gospel". If God says Blessed with the Blessing of Abraham, that means JUST LIKE ABRAHAM ARE YOU BLESSED. Same with Job, God BLESSED him and look at all the STUFF AND MONEY he had. Anyone God called blessed in the Pre-C/OC was swimming in physical wealth.

 

Just like Mephibosheth with David - you CAN turn it down - you can go back to living in Lodebar and spurn the King's offer of hesed (covenant love, called agappe in the NC) based on Jonathan's covenant with David. You CAN turn down prosperity, it is not automatic - it's up to you. BUT, if GOD is the One Who said you can have it - WHY would you turn it down because the church world doesn't like it?

 

AND, WHY does God say in Deuteronomy 8 that WHEN all your gold and silver are multiplied and ALL YOU HAVE is multiplied, REMEMBER THE LORD YOUR GOD WHO GAVE YOU THE POWER TO GET IT? Now if God is against money, then WHY is He contradicting Himself saying He empowered you to get it? How can He do that anyway and give His COVENANT PEOPLE (ALL OF THEM - there is no distinction here - and since we are under a BETTER covenant now with BETTER terms, where Gal 3:29 says you get ALL God's promises going from Abraham forward (which includes this one here)) all this PHYSICAL WEALTH?

 

I didn't write these things, these are God's Words.

 

 

The other thing about healing QP: I am sure you would agree God cannot break His Word, according to Psalm 89:34 and that as such, He has placed Himself under the authority OF His Word. Therefore, this new covenant replaced the original. And since that is true you must answer this:

WHY did God place EVERY sickness and EVERY disease (IS 53:4-5, MT 8:16-17, 1 Peter 2:24) ON His Son's body at the cross and then BY HIS STRIPES, YOU WERE Healed, if, as you say, we weren't healed? How is that not a contradiction?

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

 

As for riches for every Believer: the word blessing means empowered to prosper; part of prosperity IS riches (money), there is no getting around that. Gal 3:13-14 says we used to be cursed, now we're blessed with the blessing of Abraham (why does God say Abraham unless we're supposed to be expected to be blessed just like Abraham? And Abraham was the wealthiest guy in the world - gold and silver and possessions and servants and herds, etc). So again, there is no way around this.

 

The problem here is that Gal. 3:13-14 is talking about the curse of the law. The curse of the law is spiritual death.  We are not redeemed from poverty or sickness.  Poverty and sickness are not the curse of the law.  The curse of the law is separation from God and Jesus died to pay the death penalty of sin.  He did not die to make us rich and he did not die so that we would never be sick anymore. 

 

The blessing of Abraham mentioned by Paul is not wealth or health.  The blessing of Abraham according to Paul (he is referenceing Gen. 22 and the blessing pronounced on Abraham after Isaac was rescued from being sacrificed, was that God would bless the nations through him.  To be blessed doesn't mean that everyone is promised wealth and prosperity.  You are looking at the word incorrectly.  The blessing had to with salvation from sin, not wealth and health.

 

Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 that ALL Believers would speak in tongues. There is no way out of that - it cannot be explained away - so either Jesus is lying or what you said about tongues is not true. Jesus said ALL Believers, tongues.

 

The text doesn't say that at all.

Performing healing being for ALL Believers is found in Mark 16:17-18 again, there is no way around that either. As well, Jesus said ANYONE who believes in Him would do ALL the same things He has done and greater - so again, there is no way to understand that other than ALL Believers can do it!

 

If that is true, why does Kenneth Hagin Jr.  still have to wear contacts/eyeglasses?

 

Why doesn't Benny Hinn walk into hospitals all over the nation and bring healing  every Christian that is there?  I mean Jesus went to where the sick were and healed them.  Why don't people like Hinn do the same?

 

Hi Shiloh,

Here's the answers:

 

#1) The curse of the Law is mentioned in great detail in Deuteronomy 28:15-68, and there are a LOT of references to part of that curse being all sorts of sicknesses and diseases, but the best one is in verse 61: "Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed."

Surely that is self-explanatory, and there is your proof.

You said we AREN'T redeemed from every sickness and disease, just from the curse of the Law, which is only spiritual death (the exhaustive list of CURSES in the Curse of the Law in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 doesn't mention a whole lot about spiritual death, mostly physical problems).

BUT, GOD says, we have BEEN redeemed (past tense) from the curse of the Law, which, as you can now see from verse 61, INCLUDES EVERY SICKNESS AND DISEASE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OR WILL BE. So, for ANY AND EVERY BELIEVER, the Word PROVES that we have ALL BEEN redeemed from ALL sickness and ALL disease. 100%.

 

Then you will surely say, well, if that's the Truth, which as you can see above it is, HOW do Believers get sick? The Devil, 100% of the time. It's never from God. Do not overlook 1 John 3:8 which says that for THIS reason was the Son of God made manifest: to destroy the workS of the Devil (notice works, not work, which means you're dealing with more that just sin; it's sin, sickness, disease, poverty, defeat, discouragement, depression, breakdown of the physical body, etc).

 

#2) Again, symptoms of POVERTY are mentioned many times as part of the Curse of the Law detailed in Deut 28:15-68. Yet, God says in Gal 3:13-14 you have BEEN redeemed from that curse of poverty. Literally you have been bought back from it, SO THAT, you could be blessed, as is described in Deut 28:1-14 - there isn't any mention of spiritual life in those verses, everything there is physical, yet God describes THAT as being BLESSED.

 

#3) Lastly for this, as I said to QP: if the blessing is a reference to spiritual salvation from sin (and I should add the word for salvation in the Greek is sozo and includes healing, prosperity, etc) and has nothing to do with physical riches, then HOW is God, in Genesis 1 called, in the original Hebrew Scriptures, THE BLESSED ONE when He has not and cannot ever sin?

This is a total contradiction in the Word of God if you what you purport is true. Yet, again, the Scriptures everywhere speak of the Blessing as physical wealth and riches, on top of spiritual blessings as well. The OC wasn't thrown away because Jesus fulfilled it; you get EVERY promise in there, without the problem of having to perform the obedience to get it, because Jesus is our sacrifice to satisfy the obedience.

 

#4) Almost forgot to add this in:

"Jesus went to where the sick were and healed them."

That's not true at all. Let me explain:

Here's a good example:

John 5 - there is a multitude of crippled, blind, paralyzed people at the pool of Bethesda. Yet Jesus passes through the midst of them and speaks only 16 words to 1 man, and the man wisely chooses to be healed. Then Jesus walks away, leaving all the rest of them unhealed.

Now how is that? Because Jesus ONLY did what He saw His Father do, and He only said what He heard His Father say. Don't forget: Jesus is the express image of the Father, He IS the Father. Now you said Jesus went to the sick and healed them, but if that were (as we've just seen above, it's not) true, then there would be no sick people on the Earth because the Father would have already done it.

But this is an aside, you said He went to them, but actually, He went out to teach and preach the Kingdom of God and THEY came to be healed. He didn't go hunt them down. THEY CAME (read it all throughout the Gospels, Jesus would preach and the people came to get healed).

 

THIS is why Benny Hinn/Kenneth Hagin (past tense)/Katerine Coolman (I don't know the spelling of her last name for sure)/etc don't go around to hospitals, they follow the example of the Master - you preach, the people come to be healed - you don't just go do whatever seems good to you. I learned this when I was first saved - I didn't go to find people to heal, but whenever the Lord brought me someone to heal, they got healed.

 

Then you said why did KH still wear glasses/contacts - answer: he had not developed the faith to believe for that yet. God can do EVERYTHING, but He can only do what YOU believe. How many times did Jesus say, be it unto you even as YOU have believed (notice He didn't say according to God's will or be it unto you as I believe)?

Edited November 27, 2013 by TheCurseOfTheRodain

[TheCurseOfTheRodain]

There's a couple more things to set to rights, but I have run out of time tonight. Be back tomorrow, God willing

 

Also, Sevenseas, you had said that God is not under obligation to anyone. That is incorrect;

Psalm 89:34 says God cannot go against His Word - He IS obligated to His Word, and as we have been brought into the Covenant through Jesus' blood shed as the Lamb of God to fulfill the Abrahamic and Old Covenant, He has said He IS obligated to us. He will do EXACTLY as He says in His Word. Make a demand upon the Covenant, He will do it, for He has sworn it in blood, His own blood actually.

 

I've seen Him do it time after time after learning that God had a Covenant with me and was eager to perform it (why else did He give it? It wasn't for Him, it's for us). He has come through on everything for me, because He's no respecter of persons, but He IS a respecter of covenants. He will always honor it, the same as those guarantees you see printed on receipts for various stores - it's a covenant made with the purchase, about what they will do for you; God has done the same.

Edited November 27, 2013 by TheCurseOfTheRodain

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TheCurseOfTheRodain, on 27 Nov 2013 - 2:46 PM, said:

 

#3) Lastly for this, as I said to QP: if the blessing is a reference to spiritual salvation from sin (and I should add the word for salvation in the Greek is sozo and includes healing, prosperity, etc) and has nothing to do with physical riches, then HOW is God, in Genesis 1 called, in the original Hebrew Scriptures, THE BLESSED ONE when He has not and cannot ever sin?

 

 

 

 

Hello CurseoftheRodain,

 

Can you present the scripture in Genesis 1 which presents God as “the blessed one “ ?

 

 

 

 

This is a total contradiction in the Word of God if you what you purport is true. Yet, again, the Scriptures everywhere speak of the Blessing as physical wealth and riches, on top of spiritual blessings as well. The OC wasn't thrown away because Jesus fulfilled it; you get EVERY promise in there, without the problem of having to perform the obedience to get it, because Jesus is our sacrifice to satisfy the obedience.

 

 

 

 

Do you claim God’s promises to Israel are now to be claimed by all Christians ?

 

 

 

THIS is why Benny Hinn/Kenneth Hagin (past tense)/Katerine Coolman (I don't know the spelling of her last name for sure)/etc don't go around to hospitals, they follow the example of the Master - you preach, the people come to be healed - you don't just go do whatever seems good to you. I learned this when I was first saved - I didn't go to find people to heal, but whenever the Lord brought me someone to heal, they got healed.

 

 

Mr Hinn visited Australia in 2008 do you say he should have healed every person who came to him ?

Kelly Smith, a paraplegic, travelled from Ipswich. The 43-year-old recently suffered two strokes and a blood clot, and her husband Gavin has cataracts on his eyes.

"We've tried everything," Ms Smith said. "Feng shui, wind chimes, crystals and positive thinking. We really wanted to give this a go."

 

Nearby sat seven-year-old Bernie Hudson. The bright-eyed Cairns local, who was born with spina bifida and now suffers scoliosis, begged parents Ken and Karen to bring her along. She sat in her small wheelchair and waited, excited about the possibility of being able to walk.

"She gets up every morning at 5.30am to watch Benny's show This Is Your Day!" Ms Hudson said.

"She watches the pastor healing other people, and thought maybe he could do something for her."

 

But business comes before miracles when Pastor Hinn is in the building, it seems.

 

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/preaching-the-miracle-of-money/story-e6freon6-1111115568457

 

Mr Hinn left Australia upon his $ 36 million jet ~ $800,000 richer.

 

Also can you present your experiences with healing from your hands ?

[kwikphilly]

Dear  CurseoftheRodain,

 

      I really cannot move on in discussion because in my dictionaries & in researching the definition of the word "blessed",I find "happiness"   the Hebrew word is"esher" -definition is "happiness"  and the Greek word is "makarizo"definition  "count happy"   that can be found in the Strongs dictionary.(simplest -for arguments sake).....can you please tell me where you are getting your definition of "blessing"and what Scripture you are referring to and what is the Hebrew word being used

     I am asking because it seems your theology and reasoning stems from this interpretation so I am quite confused.Even in Genesis 1you said it says God is referred to as "the Blessed One",where?The only time the word "blessed is used in the first chapter of Genesis is Gen1:28(barak)where God blesses & the definition that applies is "to benefit"or "congratulate"....So,if you wouldn't mind clearing that up or there is no basis to what you are claiming because Scripture does not support what you are saying

                                                                                                                With love,in Christ-Kwik

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Hi Shiloh,

Here's the answers:

 

#1) The curse of the Law is mentioned in great detail in Deuteronomy 28:15-68, and there are a LOT of references to part of that curse being all sorts of sicknesses and diseases, but the best one is in verse 61: "Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed."

Surely that is self-explanatory, and there is your proof.

 

No, that is completely false.  Deut. 2: 15-68 is NOT the curse of the law.  The curse of the law is spiritual death and separation from God.  That is why Jesus died and that is what He redeemed us from.

 

 

 

Secondly Deut. 28:15-68 was written to the nation of Israel, and cannot be applied by people individually.  God was speaking to the nation about the general condition of the nation based on their obedience or disobedience to the commandments given to them. You cannot claim the blessings of Deut 28 for yourself because they are for the nation of Israel and God has not transferred those blessings to the church. 

 

 

Thirdly, the blessings and cursings mentioned in Deut. 28 were conditional. They were conditional upon Israel obeying God's commandments.   The curse of the law and our redemption from occurs in a redemptive setting, not in a conditional setting.  We are not redeemed from the curse of the law  on the basis of obeying a set of commandments.  If you want those blessings, at the very least you will need to obserse the commandments that God gave Israel, like keeping the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath, staying kosher, and all of that because Deut. 28:1 is based on observing all of the commandments God gave to Israel in the book of Deut.

 

 

 

You said we AREN'T redeemed from every sickness and disease, just from the curse of the Law, which is only spiritual death (the exhaustive list of CURSES in the Curse of the Law in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 doesn't mention a whole lot about spiritual death, mostly physical problems).

BUT, GOD says, we have BEEN redeemed (past tense) from the curse of the Law, which, as you can now see from verse 61, INCLUDES EVERY SICKNESS AND DISEASE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OR WILL BE. So, for ANY AND EVERY BELIEVER, the Word PROVES that we have ALL BEEN redeemed from ALL sickness and ALL disease. 100%.

 

Again, Deut. 28 isn’t the curse of the law. Where does Deut. 28 refer to believers?   There is nothing about what will or will not befall believers.  The context has to do with the nation of Israel obeying God's commandments after they enter the Promised Land.   Israel was not blessed because they were Israel. They were blessed based on what the did or did not do.

 

 

 

Then you will surely say, well, if that's the Truth, which as you can see above it is, HOW do Believers get sick? The Devil, 100% of the time. It's never from God. Do not overlook 1 John 3:8 which says that for THIS reason was the Son of God made manifest: to destroy the workS of the Devil (notice works, not work, which means you're dealing with more that just sin; it's sin, sickness, disease, poverty, defeat, discouragement, depression, breakdown of the physical body, etc).

 

Then how do explain the fact that God sent plagues on Egypt?   How do you explain these verses in Deut. 28 that clearly state that God will send disease and pestilence on the people if they disobey:

 

The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. Deut 28:20-22

 

The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: Deut 28:27-28

 

So if sickness and disease are 100% the work of the devil, how is it God is personally claiming responsibility for sickness and disease coming upon Israel? And how do you explain the fact that in Numb. 21:6 it says that God sent the fiery serpents that bit the people and caused them to die?

 

#2) Again, symptoms of POVERTY are mentioned many times as part of the Curse of the Law detailed in Deut 28:15-68. Yet, God says in Gal 3:13-14 you have BEEN redeemed from that curse of poverty. Literally you have been bought back from it, SO THAT, you could be blessed, as is described in Deut 28:1-14 - there isn't any mention of spiritual life in those verses, everything there is physical, yet God describes THAT as being BLESSED.

 

But you are applying them to a spiritual lifeby claiming that Jesus’ death on the cross means the end of sickness and poverty.  You can’t have this both ways.  You can’t deny the spiritual nature of the curse of the law on the one hand, but apply them spiritually to the work of Jesus on the cross. 

The problem here is that you don’t understand the curse of the law.  The curse of the law.  Let’s look at Gal. 3:13-14:

 

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith  (Gal 3:13-14).

 

 

The blessing of Abraham mentioned has nothing to do with health and prosperity.  Paul is referencing the blessing pronounced upon Abraham in Genesis 22.   The blessing being mentioned here is pertains to Abraham being a blessing to the nations through his Seed, namely Christ. 

 

 

#3) Lastly for this, as I said to QP: if the blessing is a reference to spiritual salvation from sin (and I should add the word for salvation in the Greek is sozo and includes healing, prosperity, etc) and has nothing to do with physical riches, then HOW is God, in Genesis 1 called, in the original Hebrew Scriptures, THE BLESSED ONE when He has not and cannot ever sin?

 

But Paul clearly associated the blessing to spiritual salvation in Gal. 3:14 when He speaks of the blessing of Abraham.  Here is the text of the blesssing Paul is referencing:

 

And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Gen 22:16-18

 

 

Paul applies this to Christ and to the salvation of the nations.   You are ignoring Paul’s clear and purely spiritual application of this passage to our salvation.

 

 

The Greek word for sozo does in certain contexts refer to physical healing.  However, that doesn’t mean that EVERY usage of that word applies to physical healing.  You cannot assume that sozo means healing everything it is used in connection to salvation.  

 

 

Greek and Hebrew are smaller languages than modern English and so one word in Greek or Hebrew will play double duty, triple duty, quadruple duty and so on.  That means that word usage is more important than word meaning.   When used in the context of physical healing, sozo is used.  But in context of spiritual salvation, physical healing is NOT in view in the usage of sozo.   You cannot summarily apply the meaning of “healing” to every usage of sozo.  The context will indicate which meaning the author has in view.  You are using sloppy hermeneutics in your application of that word. 

 

 

 

 

This is a total contradiction in the Word of God if you what you purport is true. Yet, again, the Scriptures everywhere speak of the Blessing as physical wealth and riches, on top of spiritual blessings as well. The OC wasn't thrown away because Jesus fulfilled it; you get EVERY promise in there, without the problem of having to perform the obedience to get it, because Jesus is our sacrifice to satisfy the obedience.

 

I never said the OC was thrown away.  The blessings of God are ALWAYS connected to obedience.  God can’t bless disobedience. Nowhere does not promise 100% healing or prosperity to anyone who obeys Him.

 

Paul is a good example of someone who was obedient to God and yet there was no prosperity in his life by standard set by Word of Faith teachers.   Paul was nearly stoned to death, and that stoning left him with lingering physical injuries that he never fully recovered from.  He was beaten, flogged, shipwrecked, imprisoned, financially broke, starved, naked, shipwrecked, and so forth.  By any reckoning of the Word of Faith movement, Paul was not blessed. 

 

 

#4) Almost forgot to add this in:

"Jesus went to where the sick were and healed them."

That's not true at all. Let me explain:

Here's a good example:

John 5 - there is a multitude of crippled, blind, paralyzed people at the pool of Bethesda. Yet Jesus passes through the midst of them and speaks only 16 words to 1 man, and the man wisely chooses to be healed. Then Jesus walks away, leaving all the rest of them unhealed.

Now how is that? Because Jesus ONLY did what He saw His Father do, and He only said what He heard His Father say. Don't forget: Jesus is the express image of the Father, He IS the Father. Now you said Jesus went to the sick and healed them, but if that were (as we've just seen above, it's not) true, then there would be no sick people on the Earth because the Father would have already done it.

But this is an aside, you said He went to them, but actually, He went out to teach and preach the Kingdom of God and THEY came to be healed. He didn't go hunt them down. THEY CAME (read it all throughout the Gospels, Jesus would preach and the people came to get healed).

 

Oh please…   Jesus made himself completely accessible, meaning that Jesus went where they were so that they could come to Him.  Jesus didn’t live the life of an untouchable, surrounded by security guards.   Jesus would not, today, found riding around in limosines, living in a gated community.  Jesus would be out in the world, where the people are making Himself completely accessible to them any time they needed him.

 

 

THIS is why Benny Hinn/Kenneth Hagin (past tense)/Katerine Coolman (I don't know the spelling of her last name for sure)/etc don't go around to hospitals, they follow the example of the Master - you preach, the people come to be healed - you don't just go do whatever seems good to you. I learned this when I was first saved - I didn't go to find people to heal, but whenever the Lord brought me someone to heal, they got healed.

 

Nonsense.  They follow the almighty dollar. They don’t go anywhere that there isn’t some financial recompense for it.   Jesus would not be seen today riding in a private jet and staying in 5 star motels and living in inordinate luxury at the expense of those who donate their so-called “ministry.”

 

 

Then you said why did KH still wear glasses/contacts - answer: he had not developed the faith to believe for that yet. God can do EVERYTHING, but He can only do what YOU believe. How many times did Jesus say, be it unto you even as YOU have believed (notice He didn't say according to God's will or be it unto you as I believe)?

 

But then why is it that they can preach about your need for faith, but can’t seem to muster it up for themselves?    How can they demand that you believe what they don’t believe?  Do you not see the inherent contradiction in a “faith” preacher that doesn’t appropriate what he exhorts you to appropriate?   Why should anyone be donating to the ministry of someone who doesn’t live what he/she preaches?   I mean, if KH Jr. can’t walk in the healing he claims he has, isn’t that an indication to you that he isn’t what he purports to be and doesn’t that really demonstrate that he doesn’t have the authority to claim what he claims to be true?

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