The Judgment of the Unsaved

[GlidingWings]

There appears to be among Christians a controversial aspect of the judgment unto those who are not saved. I do believe Christians are in agreement that the saved receives something better than those who are not saved. Salvation among Christian groups appears that salvation is what a Christian is to desire. But about those Christians that would seek to not be saved it’s not every likely unless one does not believe or is in question about salvation if the message of this they accept this being true or not. I do have one friend who says she does not want to live forever. So salvation is not appealing to her. Besides she said Jesus did not deserve to die that way. And you know I have morals and I try to do well.

 

This is not usually the case. Most people desire they could live forever in peace with God being able to be in the very presence of God whom we don’t visibly see him today with our eyes. But Hell on the other hand is in question among Christians what exactly is Hell after all? Well please let me share the 3 most common views I have heard.

 

1. This is the first option. This group of Christians says that Hell is the lake of Fire. But not only that this group says that in this lake of fire those unsaved will suffer for all Eternity. . They will continue to burn, suffer in torment and agony ever lasting with no end at all. So this is what this group believes.

 

1. This is the second option. There are now a growing number of Christians including the Church of God the Restoration Church whom these Christians believe also that there is a second death. There is a lake of Fire. The difference however is they compare this to Gehenna. . Those Criminals were burned up in Gehenna and even also in Hell. They who are not saved will actually burn up and die after the fire kills them. Their argument is Death means Death and it can’t mean being conscious. So they believe the unsaved is burned up never to know anything ever again. . Their suffering is only when they hit the fire. But after that they don’t know of any suffering. They say because God is a God of love. He would not let them suffer for all Eternity. They will die instantly as like a criminal on a Death penalty. . So this group believes the unsaved will not feel the burning or pain for eternity. They will only feel this being dropped into the Lake of fire and then dies immediately.

 

1. The third opinion. While this one may not be as popular as the first 2 it is believed by some Christians whom I think an argument of view points is only fair to observe. This view point sees that Fire in the Bible is not real. Fire is only a parable, an allegory or of symbolic purpose. In this belief no one is ever burned by fire at all. The fire in the parables is suppose to teach us a lesson the differences between right and wrong. So fire in this group should not be taken literal at all. Since this group believes God would never use fire to punish us in judgment this group also says God is a compassionate God who would not place anyone under such punishment or of a crime or sin. Rather the unsaved is put to death. And how that manner is uncertain. But Fire does not need to be that case. Fire is only a warning of danger taken only as a parable, allegory or symbolic. So these Christians believe God will judge but without any fire. They will stand before God and they will be put to Death as of death penalty.

 

So these are the 3 most popular view points of judgment of the unsaved I have heard from reading online. You may look and read online too few argument points as to who you believe is more correct. Or as all Christians should do is still weigh out all things by Bible scripture. So which of these views do you believe? 

 

Can you please write explanations why you believe this view point to be more Biblically correct than the others? And if possible why are the others False? Or are you undecided which one of these is the correct way of knowing? Let’s see what members say about this.

[Waiting2BwithHim]

I believe that option 1 is the correct one because of the following scriptures...

 

1. Luke 16:23
   And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
   Luke 16:22-24 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Luke 16:24
   “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’
   Luke 16:23-25 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Luke 16:25
   But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
   Luke 16:24-26 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Luke 16:28
   for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’
   Luke 16:27-29 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. Revelation 20:10
   The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
   Revelation 20:9-11 (in Context) Revelation 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

 

I believe that these scriptures speak for themselves and comes straight from the Word of God the Bible which is never false.

[GlidingWings]

Thanks for answering. I thought more Christians here would have tried to participate in this topic. . Perhaps they might know the situations I have been in this topic.

 

Recently I have encountered other Christians who believe when a person goes to the second death they believe that it means Death as to die for good. My view has always been one suffers in Hell forever. But these other Christians are saying I am all wrong. I don’t know what I am talking about they say. Did Jesus go to Hell they asked me? Jesus only suffered for some odd hours they said. If Jesus did not suffer in Hell burning then why should we? ..

 

One told me please read about Hell in the Church of God point of view. So I read it and it does make one really think. However while their argument does seem to make very good sense a few verses in the Bible in my opinion did not totally agree either the Church of God.

 

Would anyone please like to go to http://rcg.org/bics/rcgbic-010.html http://rcg.org/books/ttah.html  I want you to her this other view point about Hell many Christians now support. Tell me if the Church of God agrees with your view on the Bible about Hell. This view may sound very convincing. But be careful. Scripture in the Bible still say more. We need to listen to God first. I personally believe in option 1. That the Soul will suffer for eternity of no End.

 

However please read the view for the Church of God because we may encounter Christians who will also share this view of temporary suffering. Because if you relay want to argue a view point it is good to know the other view points to make the best argument. As I said I had other Christians tell me I am absolutely wrong for believing this way. God wouldn’t do this. Would anyone else here like to answer this in there Biblical view point? Please read Church of God aspect also. . You will see what I have been debating against. . You might have been like me. Maybe you thought there was no other view. But there is and it is become popular. Please read and find out. I don’t believe in Church of God aspect. But it does very much look like a good solid argument in some senses to consider how to approach this kind of debate. My opinion falls in line with as much as Billy Graham on this topic and what about you?  .

[Guest shiloh357]

Thanks for answering. I thought more Christians here would have tried to participate in this topic.

 

Well, you posted the OP at 11:58 CST and most folks are having Thanksgiving Dinner at that time and it was only 18 minutes bewtween your OP and your first response, so you gotta give people more time to respond.  This is a busy day and even if it wasn't thanksgiving, people would be at work.  So you might need to give it a few hours to get more responses.

 

As to your OP, I believe the hell and the lake of fire are two different things, and that unbelievers will suffer for all eternity in the lake of fire (the second death).

[GlidingWings]

Thanks Shiloh I think you are right and didn't even realize. I guess I was just surprised that there was 25 views at the time I first looked and no replies.

I'm sure that maybe after one is done eating they may post here again at Worthy. Seems like the day is going so fast that I forget it's Thanksgiving.

After all true posters love to post. I have to admit I am one of them.

your friend GW

[missmuffet]

The great white throne judgment is described in Revelation 20:11-15 and is the final judgment prior to the lost being cast into the lake of fire.This judgment will take place after the millenium and after Satan,the beast,and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire Revelation 20:7-10.

The books that are opened Revelation 20:12 contain records of everyone's deeds,whether they are good or evil,because God knows everything that has ever been said,done or even thought,and He will reward or punish each one accordingly.At this time another book is opened,called the "book of life.Some Christians believe that scriptures reveal three different judgments to come.

The first is the judgment of the sheep and the goats or a judgment of the nations Matthew 25-31-36.This takes place after the tribulation but prior to the millenium;its purpose is to determine who will enter the millenium kingdom.

The second is the judgment of the believers works,often referred to as the "judgment seat(bema) of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:10.

At this judgment Christians wil receive degrees of rewards for their works or service to God.

The third is the great white throne judgment of unbelievers in which they are judged accordingly to their works and sentenced to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire.This judgment always makes me wonder if their are degress of punishment in hell such as their is degrees of rewards in heaven.

Believers will be judged by Christ,but since Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us and our names are written in the book of life,we will be rewarded or rewards taken away but we will not be punished,according to our deeds.

[deut31:12]

One thing you have to keep in mind is that withing the past 70+ years people began to minimize the effects and teachings of the scriptures.  Like it has been pointed out above, Jesus taught about Lazaras and the rich man describing the torments in hell and Revelation expounds upon it more in that all those in hell will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.  Hell is the "holding tank" for lack of better definition, until judgement day.  Then all those who are hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

[JohnD]

If you want an example of a preposterous ideology that has been soundly disproved but is held onto to this very day and is forced upon the public as more practical than any faith in a god... look at macro-evolution.

 

Point being, it doesn't matter how sincerely held and how voluminously taught a false idea can be... it is still wrong.

 

John 17:17 (NASB95)
17 “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB95)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

Acts 17:11 (NASB95)
11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (NASB95)
21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

 

John 4:1 (NASB95)
1 Therefore when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John

 

2 Peter 1:20-21 (NASB95)
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

 

 

If the Bible says hell is real and there's fire and the damned will suffer torment forever just once it is fact.

 

What incentive would it be to one who doesn't care if there is a God or not if all we do is die forever? 

 

Why wouldn't the Bible rather say "If you want to live after this life, then believe in Jesus?"

 

We must stop allowing absurd arguments and pigheadedness be allowed to stand with scripture or the interpretation of it.

 

If someone came along and took all your money and your food because they believed they were entitled to it... would you (for the sake of fairness) grant them their premise? Or would you try to stop them for such an evil stupid idea?

[Guest DRS81]

John 3:1-15 The New Birth

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews ; 2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher ; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." 3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old ? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going ; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." 9 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?" 10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things ? 11 "Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12 "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things ? 13 "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven : the Son of Man. 14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.