THE WORD OF GOD IS IRREVOCABLE

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The key to the time frame is found in why this became a factor in the first place, and how the perception of Abram is what lead to it, just as the eating of the tree lead to the same bondage for Adam as it did for Cain.

 

Numbers do not depict quantities but speak to truths that relate to a son being revealed in us, and this on the individual level, as well as collectively.

 

Man was created on the sixth day, 24 hours in a day, 144 hours, which is the measurement of a man, and the cubits of the wall of the city, as it is the fruit that the tree of life produces every year.

 

The language of God is only defined by God, so the Bible defines itself as to what a city, tower, pillar, tree, well, thirty, one forty, two forties, seven, seventy, three, tabernacle, temple, cross, sin, image, etc. is.

[Guest ninhao]

Hi ninhao. I'll believe what you said that there's no hurry in this, and so I will take the time I need to study these things we've been discussing. You've done your homework, and you deserve the same from me.

The family matters that I've been dealing with lately have taken so much of my time, so that I've only been freed today -- and for the time being only. But this respite of a few weeks should be more than enough for us to have settled our discussions. I plan to start my studies tomorrow, and I think I would need another whole week to finish it. That's okay with you?

So for the meantime...

Can we now agree that 1 million+ Israelites leaving Egypt is reasonable? The Biblically-supported number of around 600 000 men does reasonably give an estimated total of 1 million+ Israelites.

Next, can we now leave the matter of population growth behind? As you said, the equation you've presented is very subjective, and can be used to say what we want it to say -- and that is not good.

Last, can we no longer discuss the actual number of Israelites that entered Egypt? This is another can in the worm that I think we can happily do without.

And so... this will leave us then with the juiciest and fattest worm in the can to dissect: the actual years that the Israelites had spent in Egypt as slaves. The heart of the controversy, that is.

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Yes ok Dak let's cull the numbers worms aside from the juiciest. It's an unfortunate habit of mine to investigate numbers. ( I think you suggested this earlier but I ran after the numbers ! )

 

I agree we may investigate years Israel was in bondage but remember to check if the total time of their sojourning is equivalent to the time in Egypt. Different translations offer differing perspective I think.

 

 

Exo 12:40  Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. ( KJV)

 

 

Exo 12:40  Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years. (NIV)

 

I hope your family matters are not troubling and we aren't in any hurry I think.

[Dak]

I agree we may investigate years Israel was in bondage but remember to check if the total time of their sojourning is equivalent to the time in Egypt. Different translations offer differing perspective I think.

Exo 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. ( KJV)

Exo 12:40 Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years. (NIV)

I will. But here's a tip for you. Don't use NIV and other versions that use dynamic equivalence translation (thought-for-thought) when checking matters like this for accuracy. Instead use versions that use literal translation (word-for-word) like ESV, and, though I'm not sure, KJV. (See also if ASV and NASB fall into this category.) Much is lost in a dynamic equivalence translation, and I simply don't trust it.

Anyway, the family matters I've been busy with are not troubling at all. Just a lot of driving around and other stuffs taking care of paper works....

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[Guest ninhao]

I will. But here's a tip for you. Don't use NIV and other versions that use dynamic equivalence translation (thought-for-thought) when checking matters like this for accuracy. Instead use versions that use literal translation (word-for-word) like ESV, and, though I'm not sure, KJV. (See also if ASV and NASB fall into this category.) Much is lost in a dynamic equivalence translation, and I simply don't trust it.

Anyway, the family matters I've been busy with are not troubling at all. Just a lot of driving around and other stuffs taking care of paper works....

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Thanks for the tip and I agree. The NIV is an easy reader for me but not a study tool.   The NIV writers obviously decided the sojourning of Israel was indeed spent totally in Egypt.