Matthew 7:12 and D9

December 9, 2013

Um... I'm confused D9..

You are a non- believer?

This question isn't as simple as it may sound - you obviously like those words Jesus spoke or ..... What?

Just trying to understand.

Matthew 7 v 12:

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

December 9, 2013

This is what confuses me ...

You probably like the words, but they "originate" from the Bible, which the contents, you do not trust/believe?

They obviously come from somewhere - where do You think they originate from?

BTW - I try my best to live by these precious words.

December 9, 2013

Also D9, hope you don't mind I put your name in the title - maybe I shouldn't have done that....:/

other one · December 9, 2013

I would highly recommend that one know a person before they quote this scripture to them. Back in my dark days I saw a person quote that to a guy in a bar and the guy said he lived by that scripture and proceeded to beat the guy with a short whip...

Turned out that the guy was masochistic and regularly beat himself with that whip. Police said that since the not so wise person had invited him to beat him it was not against the law for him to do so...... and they all just walked away... one kind of bloody...

December 9, 2013

Other one:I would highly recommend that one know a person before they quote this scripture to them.

HisG:

Wow!!

No OO, I'm not quoting the verse to D9, he's got it on his profile, that's what got me thinking.

other one · December 9, 2013

Other one:I would highly recommend that one know a person before they quote this scripture to them.
HisG:
Wow!!
No OO, I'm not quoting the verse to D9, he's got it on his profile, that's what got me thinking.

LoL OK, I just saw your post and it brought up that memory.... I've seen that put out to people off and on here for years.. I didn't realize it was on his profile..

December 10, 2013

Hmmm.. Ok

So you were once a Believer, then somewhere down the track you disbelieved but still have a soft spot for some parts.

We know Jesus was quoting the 2nd part of the greatest commandment of loving The Lord God with all your mind heart and strength/soul.

Treating someone as we would like to be treated sounds simple but it's extremely hard at times, because their are moments in ALL people, where one feels another doesn't deserve it -

I'm glad you have a soft spot for some of the Bible but picking and choosing and trying to fix what ain't broke doesn't work.

It's a case of the opposite rather - I read it, study it, and realise I need the fixing.

Willa · December 14, 2013

My late mother in law also believed in living her life according to that scripture which she had shortened to "Do unto others." Having been raise a Catholic and joined both Baptist and Episcopal churches, she still had a rudimentry idea of Christianity but had never been born again that I know. So she had the satisfaction of knowing that she " did unto others", whatever that was. Her god was her pretty things which she stated was her greatest treasure. It is so sad that they may be all she will ever have.

Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, HOW SHALL WE ESCAPE IF WE NEGLECT SO GREAT A SALVATION WHICH AT THE FIRST BEGAN TO BE SPOKEN BY THE LORD, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him. Hebrews 2:1-3, & 12-15 BEWARE, BRETHERN, LEST THERE BE IN ANY OF YOU AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD; but exhort one anothe daily, while it is called "TODAY', lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION."

As long as we are alive, we are still able to humble ourselves and repent. The Lord is near tho those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit. Psm 34:18. No one has to live an empty worthless life.

other one · December 14, 2013

My late mother in law also believed in living her life according to that scripture which she had shortened to "Do unto others." Having been raise a Catholic and joined both Baptist and Episcopal churches, she still had a rudimentry idea of Christianity but had never been born again that I know. So she had the satisfaction of knowing that she " did unto others", whatever that was. Her god was her pretty things which she stated was her greatest treasure. It is so sad that they may be all she will ever have.

that is very confusing to me. how do you tell if a person has been born again?

Willa · December 15, 2013

She had no understanding of spiritual things. 1 Cor. 2:11-12. She had demonstrated disdain for the bible as well as for christians; they told us not to buy property near a church because of the resale value--no one wanted to live near a church or a cemetary. It was both her words, her confession, and her attitudes that led me to that suspicion.

She was civil and did the propper thing most of the time, and even tollerated someone calling the Episcopal priest to her death bed. At that time she repeated the Lord's prayer, and I suspect she mouthed the words to the hail Mary afterwards. We hope she had called on the name of the Lord with all her heart. We are not aware of any genuine confession of faith or change of attitude.

At the time they had joined the churches they were just social clubs to them, like a country club, that they had joined so he could get clients; He said the Elks club had got him more clients so he preferred it. Appearances meant everything to them The expression I heard most often was " what would the neighbors say." They became very embittered toward the Episcopal church which had billed them for pledged tithes at some time in the 50s.

It had been 50 years since she had attended any church prior to her death. She heard the Gospel at a funeral and came away complaining about that church because it was scaring people by telling them about hell. She complained about how long the gospel message took at our son's wedding.

I am trying very hard to mention symptoms and still honor her. She tried to appear proper and to be fair. But there was no love in the home. She was usually civil and did her best, I am sure. People who have not known God's love and forgiveness cannot possibly give it to others. But even the heathen love their own children......

The book of 1 John was written to tell if we are Christians and to discern those who are not. So it can better answer the general question, how can you tell if a person is born again? It is by its perameters that I had to eventually arrived at the strong suspicion that she was not born again. I had never met people who were so generally anti christian and heathen in their attitudes prior to our marriage. The difficulty I had in loving those who persecuted me was what led me to fully surrender my life to Christ. And I was able to eventually demonstrate God's love to her. She was a great blessing to me when my own dad died and she helped me to make funeral arrangements. I do sincerely hope that she gave her life to Christ on her death bed. At best I knew her to have a form of religion but to deny the power there of.