When Satan Fell: Ezekiel 28: 12-17 & Isaiah 14: 12-14

[ENOCH2010]

That may be true, but the writers of the Bible quoted it.

[Spock]

Ezekiel 28

13You were in Eden,

the garden of God;

every precious stone adorned you:

carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,

topaz, onyx and jasper,

lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.b

Your settings and mountingsc were made of gold;

on the day you were created they were prepared.

14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,

for so I ordained you.

You were on the holy mount of God;

you walked among the fiery stones.

15You were blameless in your ways

from the day you were created

till wickedness was found in you.

16Through your widespread trade

you were filled with violence,

and you sinned.

So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,

and I expelled you, guardian cherub,

from among the fiery stones.

17Your heart became proud

on account of your beauty,

and you corrupted your wisdom

because of your splendor.

So I threw you to the earth;

I made a spectacle of you before kings.

18By your many sins and dishonest trade

you have desecrated your sanctuaries.

Spock's thoughts: it sure sounds like these events occurred way before the time of Adam and Eves stay in the Garden of Eden. Here, he was the cherub, not some lowly serpent. He was anointed the guardian cherub with a crown which signifies authority. I do not believe Lucifer fell during some period between day one to day six. This doesn't seem logical to me.

[Reformed Baptist]

That may be true, but the writers of the Bible quoted it.

Do they? One can only assume that you are referring to Jude 1:14 which contains a statement similar to one found in the book of Enoch. However the idea that Jude quotes Enoch is simply an assumption, there are problems with the view, and there are other possibilities. 

 

One problem is that it is not an exact quote, the book of Enoch says: “Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which thesinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.” therefore it is possible that both works are simply reporting the same oral tradition that has been passed down. In which case it's inclusion in Jude simply authenticates that single tradition. 

 

There are other possibilities, Jude may simply have drawn his illusion from the same Old Testament texts that the writer of Enoch did, eg Deut 33:2, or as we have no early copies of the book of Enoch in Greek, It seems to have originating in Ethiopia and to have been originally written in Ge'ez so maybe the later scribes that translated it into Greek were guilty of a little harmonization between the text of Enoch and Jude? Being as familiar with Jude as the probably were?

 

Now, even if Jude did actually quote Enoch, what does that actually prove? It only proves that the words he quoted are authentic it does nothing to establish the whole book as being inspired. Think about like this, everyday people are quoting other people positively, does that mean that the one quoting is endorsing everything that person has ever said, or does it simply mean that one quote is useful for the speakers/ writers purpose?