Who is this woman

[Izzel]

 

At the second coming the saints are caught up which happens at the last trump 

 

the saints are not taken before the trumpet are blown the bible clearly shews the timing of the saints being taken 

 

Prove with scripture that rapture happens at the 7th trump.

 

The rapture happens at the last trump and the 7th trump is not the last but that which signals Jesus second coming thus Jesus blws the last trump when He comes 

[Izzel]

Matthew 24:42-43

King James Version (KJV)

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

 

.  Those who teach the Secret Rapture say the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night to snatch away true believers while others are asleep

   The verses above say nothing about the secret rapture, but only indicate Jesus will return like the thief who would come at an unknown and unexpected time

[Izzel]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

It says nothing about a secret rapture.  Again, the message here is NOT that Jesus' coming will be secret, but that it will occur at a time when most will not expect it, therefore we must WATCH! Watch DRS81

[Izzel]

2 Peter 3:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

Revelation 3:3

King James Version (KJV)

 

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

There is nothing in this verse that even vaguely suggests that Christians will be raptured secretly.  Here is an instruction for them to watch because nobody knows when Jesus will be returning. The rapture is a cowardly teaching of men 

 

[Bible_Gazer]

I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also.

Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife.

I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that

the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church.

The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome

1 Chronicles 21:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

 

The woman is the church 

The man child is Jesus 

The remnant of her seed is the saints

Ok you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that.

But are they good against another Angel ?

So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ?

Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ?

[Izzel]

 

 

I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also.

Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife.

I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that

the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church.

The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome

1 Chronicles 21:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

 

The woman is the church 

The man child is Jesus 

The remnant of her seed is the saints

 

Ok you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that.

But are they good against another Angel ?

So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ?

Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ?

 

angels do not have blood 

 

Daniel 10:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Daniel 10:20

King James Version (KJV)

20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Daniel 10:21

King James Version (KJV)

21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

 

Who was the prince of Persia and the prince of Grecia ?  

[Izzel]

I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also.

Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife.

I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that

the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church.

The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome

 I also believe that the devil is using rome to persecute the saints 

[Izzel]

 

 

I think the man child represent the saints of the church as well as the remnant is also.

Like the Bride represent many saints not just one wife.

I think what this chapter is telling John in the early church and telling us is that

the Devil is the enemy fighting against the church.

The 13th chapter tells who the devil is using to fight against it. - Rome

1 Chronicles 21:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

 

The woman is the church 

The man child is Jesus 

The remnant of her seed is the saints

 

Ok you helped me there on the sword. I should have remembered that.

But are they good against another Angel ?

So do you think there was a blood bath in Heaven above with the Angels ?

Was Michael and his Angels defending Mary up there ?

 

Revelation 12 is past future and present and it is not Mary 

 

Do you have a sword to fight against evil angels ?

[Guest]

Wow, so many differing interpretations/views on the same scripture! Some way out there. Well, someone is wrong. GOD has to be shaking His head in incredulity at the religion of man!

[missmuffet]

Wow, so many differing interpretations/views on the same scripture! Some way out there. Well, someone is wrong. GOD has to be shaking His head in incredulity at the religion of man!

Well,He is either shaking His head or laughing.Yes,someone is wrong.I guess we will find that out when we get home.