faith vs science.. what vs?

[jerryR34]

That is for God to say - do you have any relatives that have passed away that you expect will perish?

[enoob57]

That is for God to say

See that is why God tells us to study His Word so we can know these things!

Matt 7:13

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is

the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

KJV

 

do you have any relatives that have passed away that you expect will perish?

Yes!

Added later 3:17am 3/19:

This is as much as I know about lost love ones- they have come into life just as I and they maintain

the same will as I... God has said we must die to ourselves (all) and as I was willing to see that

need in the light of what God has Said in His Word and what is observable around me! I was very fortunate

to have parents that took me to church and expose me to truth early >yet< I went out into sin (to the end

of the road) and the reality and truth of God became self evident to me by the 'IS'... I was the prodigal

son and now I have a proper value system as God's Word trumps all areas of my life! Although I would

desire no one to perish I realize they must traverse the same narrow passage as I and my respect unto God

for being unyielding in this is greatened for He Says

2 Sam 14:14

14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground,

which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any

person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not

expelled from him.

KJV

bottom line being-> evil is here and all of us bear that responsibility... the only way to give no place for

evil is to abandon all aspects of it's leaven and walk apart from regard of by reckoning it to be dead and

ending when we leave here... this resolve to do this enables us to walk here free from it's effects upon that

walk and grow in the Love that will fill the place within as it's blinding influence is removed by truth...

As God throws away and keeps 'Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord Jesus' for He has done all to reclaim that which

was lost and for it to remain lost 'IS' evil... no matter who they are! Love, Steven

[jerryR34]

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith.  We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round.  We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."

                              

        -Bertrand Russell

 

Even though he was an atheist, this makes complete sense.

[Guest]

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith. 

 

We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. 

 

We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."

                              

        -Bertrand Russell

 

Even though he was an atheist, this makes complete sense.

 

~

 

Beloved, Although Poor Bertrand Has Never Seen Evolution On Earth Today

 

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

 

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

 

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 1:20-23

 

Nor Under It

 

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:20 (ESV)

 

Pagan's Like Him Substitute

 

And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart. Jeremiah 18:12 (KJV)

 

Emotional Speculation For Observed Evidence

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

 

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:11-12 (KJV)

 

Thus Turning Taxpayer Funded Science Books Into Child Like PhD Crayola Funny Papers

 

How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, "He didn't make me"? Does a jar ever say, "The potter who made me is stupid"?  Isaiah 29:16 (NLT)

 

Peer Reviewed Too

 

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

 

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:22-25

[enoob57]

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith.  We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round.  We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."

                              

        -Bertrand Russell

 

Even though he was an atheist, this makes complete sense.

Jerry imagine the conflict that you are in- for whether you open His Word (Bible) and search for Him

or you don't-> God Who has caused you to be Says this:

Rom 1:18-25

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,

who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them,

for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are

clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so

that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God,

nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into

an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their

bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the

creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

NKJV

Now as you are presently in this process, so says God, you look to yourself for solution and this

says you will not find any for it is not in you but outside of you... That is where the faith lies!

For the physical aspects of which you were began in -now- you demand for God to satisfy The Who of

Him by what you think is your check list of how to find God... how's that working out for you?

Love, Steven

Edited March 30, 2014 by enoob57

[OldSchool2]

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith.  We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round ...

But "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" from Apollo 13.

And according to Einstein:

"... it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe — spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.

"It is worth mentioning that this letter was written a decade after the advent of Heisenberg's principle of indeterminacy and the probabilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics with its denial of strict determinism."

http://einsteinandreligion.com/prayer.html

[Enoch2021]

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith.  We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round.  We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."

                              

        -Bertrand Russell

 

Even though he was an atheist, this makes complete sense.

 

 

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That's because he used the Refrigerator Posty Note Definition of "Faith" (which actually means "Blind Faith" which is an OxyMoron) which atheists ( blinded by their TrainWreck World View) stumblingly project onto Christians..... to somehow show that their beliefs aren't based in reality but the atheist is grounded in "Hard Evidence" like his Stupefying 2 + 2= 4 and the earth is round fiasco that any Mirror Fogger can testify to.

 

Well the 2 + 2= 4 and the earth is round fiasco isn't gonna SAVE YOU from Outer Darkness and the Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth.

 

They want you to table the Analytical/Scrutinizing/Deductive Reasoning and Intellectual Discernment Skills that GOD gave to the common Ground Squirrel to discover him with a Reckoning and Acknowledgment of the PLAIN TRUTH all around US......as noted here:

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

 

 

I Reckon I'll roll with GOD on this one (and every one!!).....because it makes perfect sense to me.

[Fez]

Do evolutionists believe that we evolved through the survival of the fittest? 

[jerryR34]

 

"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith.  We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round.  We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."

                              

        -Bertrand Russell

 

Even though he was an atheist, this makes complete sense.

 

 

==================================================================================

 

That's because he used the Refrigerator Posty Note Definition of "Faith" (which actually means "Blind Faith" which is an OxyMoron) which atheists ( blinded by their TrainWreck World View) stumblingly project onto Christians..... to somehow show that their beliefs aren't based in reality but the atheist is grounded in "Hard Evidence" like his Stupefying 2 + 2= 4 and the earth is round fiasco that any Mirror Fogger can testify to.

 

Well the 2 + 2= 4 and the earth is round fiasco isn't gonna SAVE YOU from Outer Darkness and the Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth.

 

They want you to table the Analytical/Scrutinizing/Deductive Reasoning and Intellectual Discernment Skills that GOD gave to the common Ground Squirrel to discover him with a Reckoning and Acknowledgment of the PLAIN TRUTH all around US......as noted here:

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

 

 

I Reckon I'll roll with GOD on this one (and every one!!).....because it makes perfect sense to me.

 

So Enoch, are you saying you require evidence to believe in Christ? 

[jerryR34]

Do evolutionists believe that we evolved through the survival of the fittest? 

Natural selection is a more accurate description.