Who are we to obey the law or grace, the old commandments or Christ

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Who are we to obey the law or grace, the old commandments or Christ

 

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Who Are We

 

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Genesis 4:26

 

Not To Obey

 

For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6:6

 

The Old

 

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

 

Commandments

 

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4

 

Yes?

 

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

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Can we follow Moses and Christ together? Why do we look into the Old Testament for direction!

 

What exactly do you mean by "Old Testament"?

 

Psalms? Proverbs?

Isaiah?

 

They are a part of the "Old Testament" as well.

 

Would you not use the lives of Abraham, Joseph, Ruth, David, Samuel, Hezekiah, etc. for sermons and teachings?

 

And how could you ever understand the reason Jesus had to die on the cross for our redemption without looking into the Old Testament?

 

 

That has nothing to do with following the OT though and living it

 

If scripture itself says that all scripture is good for teaching, admonition etc, how is it you are saying not to follow the 'OT'? Abraham lived by faith. He is in the OT. Christians are called 'spiritural' sons of Abraham. We are to live by faith, just like Abraham of the 'OT'.

 

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

 

To dismiss the OT, is to dismiss what is inspired and given by God. The Mosaic law is good, and holy, given by God to the children of Israel. It is perfect, not evil or bad. It was a gift given by God. There is no fault with the Mosaic law, or the OT. The issue wasn't the Mosaic law, it was fallen humans. The law is perfect, and a blessing. The curse was the failure of people. However, the OT is much more then the Mosaic law, and was given by God for teaching, and training.  

 

What you actually mean is we are not to follow the Mosaic law because we are not under the Mosaic covenant. But, it is incorrect to dismiss the entire 'OT'. That would be dismissing what God wrote, and says is good.    It is not an old and new. It is the bible, all one book and all for our benefit.  

 

 

They're there as a reference and to focus it on Jesus (I know it's a longer explanation but this is the tl:dr version). It is pointless to try to live by the law cuz we'll never achieve it, if we could, Jesus would had never come in the first place. As great as the OT is, and I love reading it, it helps me grow closer to God but I don't live by it, it is not my covenant

 

 

The entire OT pointsto Jesus, I agree. Including the law in more ways then just showing a need.

 

But, the Mosaic law is not the entire OT. Just about everything taught in the NT, is already contained in the OT. (The exceptions are the mysteries which are not clear in the OT)

 

Mysteries:

 

full inclusion of Gentiles. There are prophesies concerning the Messiah and the Gentiles in the OT, but it is not clear that Gentiles are full member of the covenant 

            

Jesus is God- there are indications in the OT which raise this possibility, but nothing which just plain states the Messiah would be God 

 

indwelling of the Holy Spirit- while the OT indicates that all would prophesy, which hints at this, the prophets of the OT did not have the permanently indwelling. 

 

 

I agree, which serve as great examples of how it was back then; and people try to live in the new covenant with the old testament and it doesn't work that way.