Will there be a second chance for salvation after the rapture?

[iamlamad]

 

 

The matter is much, much more simple than all that. The Biblical meaning of one that is "dead" in that future Millennium time simply means a soul with a spiritual body that is still... subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years. John 5:28-29 by what our Lord Jesus said, both the just and unjust are resurrected on the day of His coming. On the Day of The Lord when Jesus comes, that will officially end this flesh world age type of body.

 

We were shown this 'spiritually' dead concept several times in The New Testament Gospels, and Apostle Paul covered in the Greek of 1 Cor.15. It is the contrast of a soul that is "born again" of The Spirit through Christ Jesus vs. those who are not and thus are still spirtiually 'dead' in their souls. Those not "born again" through Jesus will go through His thousand years reign as the 'dead'. It does not mean they are still in literal graves somewhere still waiting to be resurrected at the end of the Millennium.

Salty, how could you write such things? Did you not read what John wrote?

 

"the sea gave up the dead which were in it"  These are people who DIED at sea and were buried at sea.

"death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them"  How does someone get into hell? By and through physical DEATH.

 

For those not buried at sea, but buried in a grave site somewhere, their bodies decayed in the grave, but thier Spirt and Soul went to hell.  A few verses before these we read:  "And when the thousand years are expired..." So this is the resurrection John was talking about here:  "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.." OF COURSE he is speaking of the body, not the spirit, for the human spirit and soul never dies. People are very much alive in hell, and in great torment 24/7.  So John tells us that even those in hell will one day resurrect from a mortal body that turned to dust, back into some kind of living flesh and bone body, to be tried at the great White Throne judgment.

 

LAMAD

 

 

Those are expressions, because those Rev.20 Scriptures also call them "the dead" while they are standing in front of Christ at that Great White Throne Judgment after the Millennium. So how can they still be 'dead' while standing before Christ in Judgment?

 

It's simple. It's because they will be in resurrected bodies throughout the thousand years but still subject to the "second death", for ALL... must bow to Christ as King of kings, and Lord of lords in that time of His reign.

 

Furthermore, you no doubt have yet consider Rev.12 after the war in Heaven, when it says there is no more place in Heaven found for Satan and his angels. That means the abode of the wicked called 'hell' that Satan is over too, for it is in the heavenly dimension. So where will 'hell' be during the thousand years? It will be outside... the gates of the Holy City as we were shown in the Rev.22:14-15 verses about the wicked.

 

There will be no more flesh body after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord. That's why the ONLY type of death remaining thereafter is the "second death". And what is the "second death" per Rev.20?? It is the casting into the "lake of fire".

 

What all goes into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years per Rev.20? The abode of 'hell', with the wicked, and death. The concept of death is over at that point, forever.

 

Does Satan and his angels need a 'flesh' body in order to be cast into that "lake of fire"? No. That's because it is not the physical kind of fire that we know during this present world, but God's consuming fire, for He is a consuming fire! That's what it will take to destroy their spirit and soul, which is what the "second death" is about.

 

Thus the coming resurrection at Christ's coming some call a 'general resurrection', because it includes a resurrection of both the just and the wicked dead. At that point the idea of 'living' is only in the spiritual sense of having eternal Life through Christ Jesus. If a soul is without Christ still then (i.e., not "born again"), then they are considered spiritually dead, because that is what is STILL dead, i.e., their spirit with soul. So it's like Jesus and His Apostles said, without being born of The Spirit none will 'see' the Kingdom of God (His Kingdom after the thousand years).

 

Sorry, but your theory is simply falacy. When John writes that death and hell give up their dead, why do you suppose that happened a thousand years prevoius instead of where John wrote it: AFTER the 1000 years? Of course it does not - it takes place right then - where John wrote it, AFTER the 1000 years have finished. That is why John wrote:

 

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The CONTEXT of this sentence is of resurrection....a dead BODY becoming a LIVE body. A mortal and dead body become an living imortal body.

 

Why try to twist this into some meaning not intended by the Author? It means their resurrection (where their BODY changes from dead to alive) happens 1000 years AFTER the resurrection of the righteous. After all, this CHAPTER is about resurrection. Let's not spiritualize it into confusion. A resurrection is speaking of the BODY - flesh and blood body to a flesh and bone body: dead and turned to dust back into a living, feeling body.

 

You err again in thinking that the spirit and soul will be consumed and disappear. Sorry, but the spirit and soul of all the people and of the devil and his angels  - ALL who are thrown in the lake of fire will survive and feel and be tormented as long as God lives. There is no verse anywhere that says they will disappear, and there are verses that tell us their torment will go on forever.

 

LAMAD

Edited July 17, 2014 by iamlamad

[Salty]

 

 

 

The matter is much, much more simple than all that. The Biblical meaning of one that is "dead" in that future Millennium time simply means a soul with a spiritual body that is still... subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years. John 5:28-29 by what our Lord Jesus said, both the just and unjust are resurrected on the day of His coming. On the Day of The Lord when Jesus comes, that will officially end this flesh world age type of body.

 

We were shown this 'spiritually' dead concept several times in The New Testament Gospels, and Apostle Paul covered in the Greek of 1 Cor.15. It is the contrast of a soul that is "born again" of The Spirit through Christ Jesus vs. those who are not and thus are still spirtiually 'dead' in their souls. Those not "born again" through Jesus will go through His thousand years reign as the 'dead'. It does not mean they are still in literal graves somewhere still waiting to be resurrected at the end of the Millennium.

Salty, how could you write such things? Did you not read what John wrote?

 

"the sea gave up the dead which were in it"  These are people who DIED at sea and were buried at sea.

"death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them"  How does someone get into hell? By and through physical DEATH.

 

For those not buried at sea, but buried in a grave site somewhere, their bodies decayed in the grave, but thier Spirt and Soul went to hell.  A few verses before these we read:  "And when the thousand years are expired..." So this is the resurrection John was talking about here:  "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.." OF COURSE he is speaking of the body, not the spirit, for the human spirit and soul never dies. People are very much alive in hell, and in great torment 24/7.  So John tells us that even those in hell will one day resurrect from a mortal body that turned to dust, back into some kind of living flesh and bone body, to be tried at the great White Throne judgment.

 

LAMAD

 

 

Those are expressions, because those Rev.20 Scriptures also call them "the dead" while they are standing in front of Christ at that Great White Throne Judgment after the Millennium. So how can they still be 'dead' while standing before Christ in Judgment?

 

It's simple. It's because they will be in resurrected bodies throughout the thousand years but still subject to the "second death", for ALL... must bow to Christ as King of kings, and Lord of lords in that time of His reign.

 

Furthermore, you no doubt have yet consider Rev.12 after the war in Heaven, when it says there is no more place in Heaven found for Satan and his angels. That means the abode of the wicked called 'hell' that Satan is over too, for it is in the heavenly dimension. So where will 'hell' be during the thousand years? It will be outside... the gates of the Holy City as we were shown in the Rev.22:14-15 verses about the wicked.

 

There will be no more flesh body after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord. That's why the ONLY type of death remaining thereafter is the "second death". And what is the "second death" per Rev.20?? It is the casting into the "lake of fire".

 

What all goes into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years per Rev.20? The abode of 'hell', with the wicked, and death. The concept of death is over at that point, forever.

 

Does Satan and his angels need a 'flesh' body in order to be cast into that "lake of fire"? No. That's because it is not the physical kind of fire that we know during this present world, but God's consuming fire, for He is a consuming fire! That's what it will take to destroy their spirit and soul, which is what the "second death" is about.

 

Thus the coming resurrection at Christ's coming some call a 'general resurrection', because it includes a resurrection of both the just and the wicked dead. At that point the idea of 'living' is only in the spiritual sense of having eternal Life through Christ Jesus. If a soul is without Christ still then (i.e., not "born again"), then they are considered spiritually dead, because that is what is STILL dead, i.e., their spirit with soul. So it's like Jesus and His Apostles said, without being born of The Spirit none will 'see' the Kingdom of God (His Kingdom after the thousand years).

 

Sorry, but your theory is simply falacy. When John writes that death and hell give up their dead, why do you suppose that happened a thousand years prevoius instead of where John wrote it: AFTER the 1000 years? Of course it does not - it takes place right then - where John wrote it, AFTER the 1000 years have finished. That is why John wrote:

 

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The CONTEXT of this sentence is of resurrection....a dead BODY becoming a LIVE body. A mortal and dead body become an living imortal body.

 

Why try to twist this into some meaning not intended by the Author? It means their resurrection (where their BODY changes from dead to alive) happens 1000 years AFTER the resurrection of the righteous. After all, this CHAPTER is about resurrection. Let's not spiritualize it into confusion. A resurrection is speaking of the BODY - flesh and blood body to a flesh and bone body: dead and turned to dust back into a living, feeling body.

 

You err again in thinking that the spirit and soul will be consumed and disappear. Sorry, but the spirit and soul of all the people and of the devil and his angels  - ALL who are thrown in the lake of fire will survive and feel and be tormented as long as God lives. There is no verse anywhere that says they will disappear, and there are verses that tell us their torment will go on forever.

 

LAMAD

 

 

The idea of 'living' in that future time will ONLY mean having put on immortality through Christ Jesus with the first resurrection, like Paul showed in 1 Cor.15.

 

The fact that when Jesus returns and a resurrection of both the just and the wicked occurs, the mere existence of that resurrection for the wicked shows not all in that time will have put on immortality. And there's your "dead" that lived not again until the thousand years were over. It's because some of those will convert to Christ during His Millennium reign, and become joined with the 'living' in the land of the living (i.e., eternal Life through Christ Jesus). This is why those "dead" are still called "the dead" when they stand before God's Great White Throne Judgment after the thousand years and the books are opened.

 

Amazing that very few are able to realize that if "the dead" are standing before God's Throne after having been resurrected that they should not be dead anymore, yet they still are, the reason being because their souls are still 'mortal', not having put on immortality through Christ Jesus like Apostle Paul showed in 1 Cor.15. Anyone in that Millennium time that is still subject to the "second death" is still considered 'the dead', unless they put on immortality by coming to Christ Jesus and believing on The Father through His Son.

[iamlamad]

 

 

 

 

The matter is much, much more simple than all that. The Biblical meaning of one that is "dead" in that future Millennium time simply means a soul with a spiritual body that is still... subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years. John 5:28-29 by what our Lord Jesus said, both the just and unjust are resurrected on the day of His coming. On the Day of The Lord when Jesus comes, that will officially end this flesh world age type of body.

 

We were shown this 'spiritually' dead concept several times in The New Testament Gospels, and Apostle Paul covered in the Greek of 1 Cor.15. It is the contrast of a soul that is "born again" of The Spirit through Christ Jesus vs. those who are not and thus are still spirtiually 'dead' in their souls. Those not "born again" through Jesus will go through His thousand years reign as the 'dead'. It does not mean they are still in literal graves somewhere still waiting to be resurrected at the end of the Millennium.

Salty, how could you write such things? Did you not read what John wrote?

 

"the sea gave up the dead which were in it"  These are people who DIED at sea and were buried at sea.

"death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them"  How does someone get into hell? By and through physical DEATH.

 

For those not buried at sea, but buried in a grave site somewhere, their bodies decayed in the grave, but thier Spirt and Soul went to hell.  A few verses before these we read:  "And when the thousand years are expired..." So this is the resurrection John was talking about here:  "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.." OF COURSE he is speaking of the body, not the spirit, for the human spirit and soul never dies. People are very much alive in hell, and in great torment 24/7.  So John tells us that even those in hell will one day resurrect from a mortal body that turned to dust, back into some kind of living flesh and bone body, to be tried at the great White Throne judgment.

 

LAMAD

 

 

Those are expressions, because those Rev.20 Scriptures also call them "the dead" while they are standing in front of Christ at that Great White Throne Judgment after the Millennium. So how can they still be 'dead' while standing before Christ in Judgment?

 

It's simple. It's because they will be in resurrected bodies throughout the thousand years but still subject to the "second death", for ALL... must bow to Christ as King of kings, and Lord of lords in that time of His reign.

 

Furthermore, you no doubt have yet consider Rev.12 after the war in Heaven, when it says there is no more place in Heaven found for Satan and his angels. That means the abode of the wicked called 'hell' that Satan is over too, for it is in the heavenly dimension. So where will 'hell' be during the thousand years? It will be outside... the gates of the Holy City as we were shown in the Rev.22:14-15 verses about the wicked.

 

There will be no more flesh body after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord. That's why the ONLY type of death remaining thereafter is the "second death". And what is the "second death" per Rev.20?? It is the casting into the "lake of fire".

 

What all goes into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years per Rev.20? The abode of 'hell', with the wicked, and death. The concept of death is over at that point, forever.

 

Does Satan and his angels need a 'flesh' body in order to be cast into that "lake of fire"? No. That's because it is not the physical kind of fire that we know during this present world, but God's consuming fire, for He is a consuming fire! That's what it will take to destroy their spirit and soul, which is what the "second death" is about.

 

Thus the coming resurrection at Christ's coming some call a 'general resurrection', because it includes a resurrection of both the just and the wicked dead. At that point the idea of 'living' is only in the spiritual sense of having eternal Life through Christ Jesus. If a soul is without Christ still then (i.e., not "born again"), then they are considered spiritually dead, because that is what is STILL dead, i.e., their spirit with soul. So it's like Jesus and His Apostles said, without being born of The Spirit none will 'see' the Kingdom of God (His Kingdom after the thousand years).

 

Sorry, but your theory is simply falacy. When John writes that death and hell give up their dead, why do you suppose that happened a thousand years prevoius instead of where John wrote it: AFTER the 1000 years? Of course it does not - it takes place right then - where John wrote it, AFTER the 1000 years have finished. That is why John wrote:

 

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The CONTEXT of this sentence is of resurrection....a dead BODY becoming a LIVE body. A mortal and dead body become an living imortal body.

 

Why try to twist this into some meaning not intended by the Author? It means their resurrection (where their BODY changes from dead to alive) happens 1000 years AFTER the resurrection of the righteous. After all, this CHAPTER is about resurrection. Let's not spiritualize it into confusion. A resurrection is speaking of the BODY - flesh and blood body to a flesh and bone body: dead and turned to dust back into a living, feeling body.

 

You err again in thinking that the spirit and soul will be consumed and disappear. Sorry, but the spirit and soul of all the people and of the devil and his angels  - ALL who are thrown in the lake of fire will survive and feel and be tormented as long as God lives. There is no verse anywhere that says they will disappear, and there are verses that tell us their torment will go on forever.

 

LAMAD

 

 

The idea of 'living' in that future time will ONLY mean having put on immortality through Christ Jesus with the first resurrection, like Paul showed in 1 Cor.15.

 

The fact that when Jesus returns and a resurrection of both the just and the wicked occurs, the mere existence of that resurrection for the wicked shows not all in that time will have put on immortality. And there's your "dead" that lived not again until the thousand years were over. It's because some of those will convert to Christ during His Millennium reign, and become joined with the 'living' in the land of the living (i.e., eternal Life through Christ Jesus). This is why those "dead" are still called "the dead" when they stand before God's Great White Throne Judgment after the thousand years and the books are opened.

 

Amazing that very few are able to realize that if "the dead" are standing before God's Throne after having been resurrected that they should not be dead anymore, yet they still are, the reason being because their souls are still 'mortal', not having put on immortality through Christ Jesus like Apostle Paul showed in 1 Cor.15. Anyone in that Millennium time that is still subject to the "second death" is still considered 'the dead', unless they put on immortality by coming to Christ Jesus and believing on The Father through His Son.

 

Wow! How amazing! Someone could spend 6000 years in hell, like Cain, then during the 1000 years repent and come back to God? What a novel idea! This is better than the Catholic's purgatory!

 

Only it is pure fiction.

 

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

Only those who partake of the first resurrecton will be safe from the second death.  And only those justified by the blood of Jesus will partake of the first resurrection. Only these will be priests of God and of Christ.

 

Now, what about the rest of humanity?

 

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

 

What does John mean? His THEME and SUBJECT is resurrection; a dead BODY coming alive with some kind of immortal body. No one knows what kind of body they will get, because the bible is silent on that.

 

So who are these? Where do they come from?

 

¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

¹³ And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

They are CALLED "the dead" even after they have been resurrected, because they all have one end: SECOND DEATH, or the lake of fire. However, after this judgment they will know WHY, for their works will be made known.

 

The point you ignore is "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." You cannot pull this verse out of it's context of resurrection. What John is telling us is that they DO NOT get resurrected until after the 1000 years.

 

Your argument is not with me, it is with the written words in Revelation chapter 20.

 

LAMAD

Edited July 17, 2014 by iamlamad

[Last Daze]

Since God is not willing that any should perish, I see Joel 2:32 as applicable as long as one has breath.

 

“And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be delivered..."

 

Granted, it's not likely that many will see through the strong delusion but I think its possible.

[Salty]

Wow! How amazing! Someone could spend 6000 years in hell, like Cain, then during the 1000 years repent and come back to God? What a novel idea! This is better than the Catholic's purgatory!

 

 

 

Then maybe you... yourself want to be GOD??? Thanks for letting us know that YOU have already judged and sentenced men to perish at His Judgment in His stead!

 

The real fact is, not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish, not yet. And it certainly is no man's call to do that judgment, Christ's only.

[iamlamad]

 

Wow! How amazing! Someone could spend 6000 years in hell, like Cain, then during the 1000 years repent and come back to God? What a novel idea! This is better than the Catholic's purgatory!

 

 

 

Then maybe you... yourself want to be GOD??? Thanks for letting us know that YOU have already judged and sentenced men to perish at His Judgment in His stead!

 

The real fact is, not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish, not yet. And it certainly is no man's call to do that judgment, Christ's only.

 

Death and hell are resurrected at the white throne judgment and judged.

 

¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

They were in hell because their name was not found in the book of life. They are resurrected just in time for this judgment. They will not be free to roam for a thousand years. They are resurrected for this judgment, judged and then sent into the lake of fire.

 

Gill's commentary says:

"And I saw the dead,.... An account being given of the Judge, next the persons to be judged are described, and in this clause, by the state and condition in which they had been; for it cannot be thought they were dead when they stood before the throne, but were raised from the dead; for this character is not descriptive of them as dead in trespasses and sins, though they are such as die in their sins, and rise in them, who are meant, but as having been corporeally dead; these are the rest of the dead, the wicked, who lived not again until the thousand years were ended" (Emphasis added)

 

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown:

the dead—"the rest of the dead" who did not share the first resurrection, and those who died during the millennium.

 

Benson commentary:

Death gave up all the bodies of men, and hades their souls, to be united to their bodies. And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire

 

Matthew Poole's Commentary

By hell is meant all places where the dead are; whosoever shall be at that day in the state of the dead; the bodies of men, whether buried in the earth or sea; and the souls of men, whether they be in the place of torments or happiness, shall all be re-united to their bodies, that they may both in soul and body receive their final doom of eternal happiness, or eternal misery, accordingly as they have lived in the world; (Emphasis added)

 

Geneva study bible

This is a reply or an answer to an objection: for some man will say, But they are dead, whom the sea, death and the grave has consumed, how shall they appear before the judge? John answers, by resurrection from death

 

These all seem to agree that AT THIS TIME, not 1000 years before, the wicked dead are raised.

[iamlamad]

 

 

Wow! How amazing! Someone could spend 6000 years in hell, like Cain, then during the 1000 years repent and come back to God? What a novel idea! This is better than the Catholic's purgatory!

 

 

 

Then maybe you... yourself want to be GOD??? Thanks for letting us know that YOU have already judged and sentenced men to perish at His Judgment in His stead!

 

The real fact is, not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish, not yet. And it certainly is no man's call to do that judgment, Christ's only.

 

Your disagreement is not with me - it is with the intended meaning of these verses from the bible.  I agree with them - not with you.

 

Death and hell are resurrected at the white throne judgment and judged.

 

¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

They were in hell because their name was not found in the book of life. They are resurrected just in time for this judgment. They will not be free to roam for a thousand years. They are resurrected for this judgment, judged and then sent into the lake of fire.

 

Gill's commentary says:

"And I saw the dead,.... An account being given of the Judge, next the persons to be judged are described, and in this clause, by the state and condition in which they had been; for it cannot be thought they were dead when they stood before the throne, but were raised from the dead; for this character is not descriptive of them as dead in trespasses and sins, though they are such as die in their sins, and rise in them, who are meant, but as having been corporeally dead; these are the rest of the dead, the wicked, who lived not again until the thousand years were ended" (Emphasis added)

 

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown:

the dead—"the rest of the dead" who did not share the first resurrection, and those who died during the millennium.

 

Benson commentary:

Death gave up all the bodies of men, and hades their souls, to be united to their bodies. And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire

 

Matthew Poole's Commentary

By hell is meant all places where the dead are; whosoever shall be at that day in the state of the dead; the bodies of men, whether buried in the earth or sea; and the souls of men, whether they be in the place of torments or happiness, shall all be re-united to their bodies, that they may both in soul and body receive their final doom of eternal happiness, or eternal misery, accordingly as they have lived in the world; (Emphasis added)

 

Geneva study bible

This is a reply or an answer to an objection: for some man will say, But they are dead, whom the sea, death and the grave has consumed, how shall they appear before the judge? John answers, by resurrection from death

 

These all seem to agree that AT THIS TIME, not 1000 years before, the wicked dead are raised.

 

[Salty]

Death and hell are not resurrected at the Great White Throne Judgment, death and hell are merely cast into the "lake of fire" after the books are opened and the Judgment.

 

Why would those books need to be opened if those of the "first resurrection" only are saved? It's to see if any of the names of "the dead" are found in the book of life, which means there will be some of "the dead" saved that converted to Christ DURING His thousand years reign. And that... is what the lived not again of Rev.20:5 is about.

 

Like Apostle Paul revealed in Romans 11, not all peoples have their blinders removed by God in order to 'hear' The Gospel during this present world. God blinded Israel in part especially, along with many of the Gentiles. Christ's Millennium will be their time to 'hear' The Gospel and believe on Jesus Christ The Saviour. That's who "the dead" of Rev.20:5 represent, as they will dwell outside the Holy City during the thousand years (per Rev.22:14-15 and Rev.20). In that time everyone... absolutely everyone... will KNOW... Christ Jesus is Lord.

 

But how will "the dead" still in graves or at the bottom of the sea know? And those are without Christ since they are not among His saints that reign with Him for that time. The Great White Throne Judgment is the final dividing point in Christ's Salvation. When the books are opened it will be too late to convert to Christ Jesus. This is why the second inferred resurrection is like the "first resurrection", a resurrection unto Life by believing on The Saviour Jesus Christ, and it must be done during this world, or for those blinded only during the thousand years, and not after the thousand years.

[Floatingaxe]

 

Wow! How amazing! Someone could spend 6000 years in hell, like Cain, then during the 1000 years repent and come back to God? What a novel idea! This is better than the Catholic's purgatory!

 

 

 

Then maybe you... yourself want to be GOD??? Thanks for letting us know that YOU have already judged and sentenced men to perish at His Judgment in His stead!

 

The real fact is, not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish, not yet. And it certainly is no man's call to do that judgment, Christ's only.

 

 

No one who finds himself at the final judgment will escape the fires of hell (having been resurrected bodily to stand there, all the righteous having been resurrected to their reward PREVIOUSLY!) THe only people who will escape hellfire will be those who have been born during the 1000 year reign of Christ and will have their names written in the Book of Life. NO ONE gets a second cance. That would make God unfair.

 

Hebrews 9:27

Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

[iamlamad]

Death and hell are not resurrected at the Great White Throne Judgment, death and hell are merely cast into the "lake of fire" after the books are opened and the Judgment.

 

Why would those books need to be opened if those of the "first resurrection" only are saved? It's to see if any of the names of "the dead" are found in the book of life, which means there will be some of "the dead" saved that converted to Christ DURING His thousand years reign. And that... is what the lived not again of Rev.20:5 is about.

 

Like Apostle Paul revealed in Romans 11, not all peoples have their blinders removed by God in order to 'hear' The Gospel during this present world. God blinded Israel in part especially, along with many of the Gentiles. Christ's Millennium will be their time to 'hear' The Gospel and believe on Jesus Christ The Saviour. That's who "the dead" of Rev.20:5 represent, as they will dwell outside the Holy City during the thousand years (per Rev.22:14-15 and Rev.20). In that time everyone... absolutely everyone... will KNOW... Christ Jesus is Lord.

 

But how will "the dead" still in graves or at the bottom of the sea know? And those are without Christ since they are not among His saints that reign with Him for that time. The Great White Throne Judgment is the final dividing point in Christ's Salvation. When the books are opened it will be too late to convert to Christ Jesus. This is why the second inferred resurrection is like the "first resurrection", a resurrection unto Life by believing on The Saviour Jesus Christ, and it must be done during this world, or for those blinded only during the thousand years, and not after the thousand years.

Salty, You wrote, "In that time everyone... absolutely everyone... will KNOW... Christ Jesus is Lord."

 

I am not sure exactly what you mean. It is written that "every knee will bow," is that what  you mean - that some will really KNOW Him as in being a child of God, but all the rest will know Him as head knowledge - they will know who He is?

 

I understand you think this second resurrection is only inferred. I don't think that is what John is telling us at all. I don't think anyone who has been in hell will ever get a chance later to accept Jesus. They are in hell because that is the place they chose: God sends no one to hell. Your theory is complete myth.

 

Heb. 9

27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

I know "ultimate salvation" is being preached as truth, when it is a lie from the pit. But then, so is postrib being preached, and it came from the same place.

 

LAMAD