WN: Human microchipping: I've got you under my skin - Sydney Morn

[missmuffet]

peep, there are many tools available today that could fulfill those prophecies.

 

However not even the chips can stop people from buying and selling until we go cashless...

Read those scriptures that I posted.Many demoninations today want to spiritualize scripture.They want to take scripture and give it the meaning that they want it to have.I think that is dangerous.

[other one]

I'm not spiritualizing it....    the mark is an actual mark.....   scratch or etching is the literal translation......   what is in Revelation does not describe a chip.

[The_Patriot21]

bo, they do NOT qualify even with those verses. the mark of the beast HAS to fit some criteria-first the anti-christ has to have risen. Second, it has to be a global/worldwide thing. Third there needs to be a one world currency. These chips are all local things-so therefore not the mark of the beast and not against scripture to get them. I agree with you-many churches want to give scripture meaning they want it to, but thats exactly whats going on here-your taking scripture and not applying it correctly. the mark has to be a worldwide thing-not a localized thing. It might be a stepping stone in that direction but it is not the mark and not commanded against in scripture. Whether the mark is a microchip or an actual mark, this doesn't fit the criteria either way, and its nothing more then baseless fear thinking that a localized microchip is the mark of the beast.

[missmuffet]

I'm not spiritualizing it....    the mark is an actual mark.....   scratch or etching is the literal translation......   what is in Revelation does not describe a chip.

What does it describe?

[missmuffet]

bo, they do NOT qualify even with those verses. the mark of the beast HAS to fit some criteria-first the anti-christ has to have risen. Second, it has to be a global/worldwide thing. Third there needs to be a one world currency. These chips are all local things-so therefore not the mark of the beast and not against scripture to get them. I agree with you-many churches want to give scripture meaning they want it to, but thats exactly whats going on here-your taking scripture and not applying it correctly. the mark has to be a worldwide thing-not a localized thing. It might be a stepping stone in that direction but it is not the mark and not commanded against in scripture. Whether the mark is a microchip or an actual mark, this doesn't fit the criteria either way, and its nothing more then baseless fear thinking that a localized microchip is the mark of the beast.

I did not say that these chips they are talking about now are the real thing.But I will not get one.If research says they cause cancer I will not take the risk.I am not a dog.Why would I want to chip myself?

[other one]

 

I'm not spiritualizing it....    the mark is an actual mark.....   scratch or etching is the literal translation......   what is in Revelation does not describe a chip.

What does it describe?

 

NT:5480

charagma (khar'-ag-mah); from the same as NT:5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue):

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

 

It is a visible mark or scratch or something visible.    The basic word comes from scratching with something sharp. 

 

There are many tools that would/could be used to stop all buying and selling.....   but that would be very difficult as long as we use hard money.

 

Chips certainly could do that, but they don't really fit into the word definition of "Mark"

 

My problem with being go dogmatic about it being a chip is that when/if it's not and the real mark comes out, it will cause confusion.

 

Already people are starting to use scans of blood veins and fingerprints for access to things.    I have a safe at home that only my index fingers can open without a special key that I keep locked up in a safety deposit box in the bank.

 

Once we do go to a cashless society and everything is electronic, literally anything could be the mark....    The mark in Revelation does not identify a person's identity, it identifies the person's allegiance to the Beast.

[The_Patriot21]

 

bo, they do NOT qualify even with those verses. the mark of the beast HAS to fit some criteria-first the anti-christ has to have risen. Second, it has to be a global/worldwide thing. Third there needs to be a one world currency. These chips are all local things-so therefore not the mark of the beast and not against scripture to get them. I agree with you-many churches want to give scripture meaning they want it to, but thats exactly whats going on here-your taking scripture and not applying it correctly. the mark has to be a worldwide thing-not a localized thing. It might be a stepping stone in that direction but it is not the mark and not commanded against in scripture. Whether the mark is a microchip or an actual mark, this doesn't fit the criteria either way, and its nothing more then baseless fear thinking that a localized microchip is the mark of the beast.

I did not say that these chips they are talking about now are the real thing.But I will not get one.If research says they cause cancer I will not take the risk.I am not a dog.Why would I want to chip myself?

 

you did though, you said that the Bible said not to get them. well the only thing the Bible says not to get is the mark of the beast-using the verses you provided me, and if you wanted to be legalistic, tattoos. That is what you said-that the Bible said not to get it. I was merely pointing out that the Bible does NOT say not to get micro chips. I can think of many valid reasons not to outside the Bible-like you said, health concerns, or like I already stated privacy concerns, but I cant think of any Biblical reasons.

[missmuffet]

 

 

bo, they do NOT qualify even with those verses. the mark of the beast HAS to fit some criteria-first the anti-christ has to have risen. Second, it has to be a global/worldwide thing. Third there needs to be a one world currency. These chips are all local things-so therefore not the mark of the beast and not against scripture to get them. I agree with you-many churches want to give scripture meaning they want it to, but thats exactly whats going on here-your taking scripture and not applying it correctly. the mark has to be a worldwide thing-not a localized thing. It might be a stepping stone in that direction but it is not the mark and not commanded against in scripture. Whether the mark is a microchip or an actual mark, this doesn't fit the criteria either way, and its nothing more then baseless fear thinking that a localized microchip is the mark of the beast.

I did not say that these chips they are talking about now are the real thing.But I will not get one.If research says they cause cancer I will not take the risk.I am not a dog.Why would I want to chip myself?

 

you did though, you said that the Bible said not to get them. well the only thing the Bible says not to get is the mark of the beast-using the verses you provided me, and if you wanted to be legalistic, tattoos. That is what you said-that the Bible said not to get it. I was merely pointing out that the Bible does NOT say not to get micro chips. I can think of many valid reasons not to outside the Bible-like you said, health concerns, or like I already stated privacy concerns, but I cant think of any Biblical reasons.

 

pat...you are over analyzing this issue.You can think what you want to think.

[The_Patriot21]

 

well Bo, like other has already stated, this chip is not the mark of the beast-there is nowhere in the Bible that says not to get it. and I got nothing necessarily to hide-but the thing is, is that doesn't matter. There will come a time, where being a christian is against the law-but more then that, since in todays era with hackers abound, people that I dont want to know my whereabouts like child molesters, robbers, etc may be able to use it to track me and exploit the information. I don't need that.

Then you are not interpreting the Bible literally as I do.

Revelation 14:9

Revelation 14:11

Revelation 15:2

Revelation 16:2

Revelation 19:20

Revelation 20:4

 

 

tell me then, what did you mean by this? you DID say the Bible says not to get them-and you provided these verses-all of which refer to the beast and the Anti-Christ. These are your words-what am I overanalyzing? Tell me then-what did you mean by "the bible says not to get this chip" 

[missmuffet]

 

 

well Bo, like other has already stated, this chip is not the mark of the beast-there is nowhere in the Bible that says not to get it. and I got nothing necessarily to hide-but the thing is, is that doesn't matter. There will come a time, where being a christian is against the law-but more then that, since in todays era with hackers abound, people that I dont want to know my whereabouts like child molesters, robbers, etc may be able to use it to track me and exploit the information. I don't need that.

Then you are not interpreting the Bible literally as I do.

Revelation 14:9

Revelation 14:11

Revelation 15:2

Revelation 16:2

Revelation 19:20

Revelation 20:4

 

 

tell me then, what did you mean by this? you DID say the Bible says not to get them-and you provided these verses-all of which refer to the beast and the Anti-Christ. These are your words-what am I overanalyzing? Tell me then-what did you mean by "the bible says not to get this chip" 

 

pat the verses the I posted are in reference to the mark at the tribulation which will act as a seal for the follower of the Anti-Christ.Do you think it would be wise to get the mark if you are not a follower of the anti-christ?Do you think the Bible would say "Oh yes definately get the mark of the beast"?.