Federal Minimum Wage

[Guest shiloh357]

O'Dannyboy

So your saying one mans basic needs might include a town home while anothers might include a shells for his shot gun?

No that is not what I am saying.

[Guest shiloh357]

shiloh357 wrote:

You cannot have a regional minimum wage as Eadora has suggested since that means that business will have no incentive to build in higher cost states, which means that jobs will decrease in states like California, and will go to lower cost states, like Missouri or Arkansas.

Absolutely, the liberals sold the Floridians a bill of goods last election and a forced minimum wage increase is coming very soon, guess what, companies are bailing out as fast as they can load the trucks. Moving to Georgia. The largest private employer in our area is moving just across the line into South Georgia, a move of less than 50 miles, they will save the costs of moving in less than 3 months in wage savings. So now unemployement will go up, as will inflation in our state, so tell me who has been helped here? If you go federal with it, same scenario just larger in scale. The folks in Mexico sit at night and pray we will increase the minimum wage, I'll let you guess why.

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There ya go... A real world example of what will happen on a national level is Eadora's ideas were put into play.

[O'Dannyboy]

Try applying some common sense

Please try to be LESS condescending. I have considered both sides of the equation and I still think a federal minimum wage increase will help more than harm.

Has anyone except Eadora read the article in the link I posted? There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. This article takes all the scenarios into account and offers the best possible solution. We don't have to agree. But I will be heard and would prefer not to be attacked for doing so.

Love and peace be with you all in the name of our precious savior Jesus Christ.

[Guest shiloh357]

Try applying some common sense

Please try to be LESS condescending. I have considered both sides of the equation and I still think a federal minimum wage increase will help more than harm.

Has anyone except Eadora read the article in the link I posted? There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. This article takes all the scenarios into account and offers the best possible solution. We don't have to agree. But I will be heard and would prefer not to be attacked for doing so.

Love and peace be with you all in the name of our precious savior Jesus Christ.

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Try applying some common sense

Please try to be LESS condescending.

Only responding to the snotty, condescending tone of the first paragraph of your response, where you acted like I was treating shotgun shells and cable TV as "basic needs." If you can't take it, then don't dish it out, buddy.

Has anyone except Eadora read the article in the link I posted?

Yes, and the article left a lot to be desired. Raising the minimum wage will only put people out of work.

What your article failed to address is the increase in the consumer price index that will undoubtedly occur when the minimum is hiked, and it also fails to address the fact, that if a an employer has to pay more per hour, he will reduce the hours that an employee is allowed to work per shift. It also fails to address the fact that employers will also reduce their benefit packages as well.

Furthermore, rebel just posted an example of what is happening RIGHT NOW in Florida due to their minimum wage increase. Businesses will hire less people and move over seas for cheaper wages if the minimuj is increased. Y'all need to wake up and live in the real world.

[Eadora]

Yoh! Friends

I quote: The Last Rebel Soldier 164

Edited January 11, 2005 by Eadora

[Eadora]

Friends

I account the Minimum Wage issue a very important one.

This study has been most valuable to me personally. I am glad of it.

It certainly does not seem that I will convince any here who presently oppose my views

No one here will come to admit that they are wrong. This unfortunately is a common phenomena

Be that as it may. I have learned much, and for that I thank you all.

If the facts and figures that have been presented on this thread are checked it will be shown that without a doubt present policy is CREATING POVERTY.

That subsidy to the poor in effect becomes subsidy to business.

This is a particularly egregious and hypocritical exploitation of the most vulnerable in our society.

Now it becomes a matter of PRINCIPAL. A MORAL and ETHICAL imperitive. It becomes a matter of social justice.

I would appeal to a book that we all know and love.

Matt. 25:34-40

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father: take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me

37 Then the righteous answered him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and cloth you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?

40 The King replied,

Edited January 11, 2005 by Eadora

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Now here is an article that proves as does the others that keeping the minimum wage at its present ridiculously low level we are creating poverty.

And this, Eadora, sums up the problem with your thinking in a nutshell. We don't live in a Socialist society, thank God. WE do not create peoples circumstances, nor is it the governments job to do so.

We live in a society that puts great value on individualism and personal responsibilityand freedom to make your own choices and circumstances.

The government is NOT there to solve all of your problems.

[O'Dannyboy]

Forgive my tone in my earlier posts. It is not my intention to appear as a "know it all" or that I am right and you are wrong. I simply wish to be heard without being insulted.

I must disagree with a car being a basic need. I am not saying "basic needs" are anything but what they are, food, clothing, shelter and access to sanitation and health services. Yes, a single parents needs would be different than those of a disabled veteran. Yes the cost of living is higher in California than in most of the country.

As I said earlier, raising the minimum wage would simply be a finger in a leaking dam. The poverty level is increasing every year and we , one of the richest nations in the world, have people freezing to death in their own homes and even those who have no place to call home. In our country obesity is rampant only getting worse because those at or below poverty level cannot afford healthier food. Their diets consist mostly of fillers like rice, pasta and potatoes.

Certainly, raising the minimum wage is not a cure for this problem. Though it may help some it would also hurt others. Yes, those companies paying minimum wage would certainly have to raise their prices to compensate for increased overhead. They definitely will not accept a cut in profits unless its the only way to stay afloat.

We must consider where a higher minimum wage would affect the price of raw materials and as a result the price of the goods made from them.

Lets look at what Jobs pay minimum wage. Burger King and other food service companies? Convenience store clerks? Farm hands? Cart-boys at Grocery stores? Countless jobs in the service industry such as custodians and personnel turning out the beds at hotels and such. If raising the minimum wage will not help then please tell us what can? Odds are that many of these people working in these minimum wage jobs are collecting food stamps or receiving some sort of government subsidy. It seems to me either we support these people through our taxes or though the products and services we buy. Which would make more sense?

I think if this discussion is to bear any fruit we must try to focus more on offering solutions and less on criticizing or attacking those with whom we don't agree. Comments regarding anothers faith , common sense or intelligence are unproductive and not very Christ-like.

Edited January 11, 2005 by O'Dannyboy

[Guest shiloh357]

I must disagree with a car being a basic need. I am not saying "basic needs" are anything but what they are, food, clothing, shelter and access to sanitation and health services. Yes, a single parents needs would be different than those of a disabled veteran. Yes the cost of living is higher in California than in most of the country.

Yes, a car is a "basic need." You seem to define "basic need" as that which keeps body and soul together.

In order to get your definition of basic needs, you have to work. If you live in a rual area, and have no access to public transit, then a car is a basic need because it gets you to your job so that you can earn a living. A car IS a basic need in many areas of the country.

Sure, if you do not pay rent/ or mortgage, do not have a telephone, or children to feed and clothe, are not married, do not have a car, don't go out to eat, have no internet, and basically have no life, then minimum wage would probably be OK for you.

I don't know many people that fit that description.

As Rebel has repeatedly pointed out, and his point has been COMPLETELY ignored, by Eadora and others, if wages increase by $1.00, the cost to the empoyer is much higher. He will cut other perks his employees enjoy, and will most likely start cutting hours too. If he has to raise prices, he may lose customers. Less customers, means less business which means he needs less people on the payroll.

Lets look at what Jobs pay minimum wage. Burger King and other food service companies? Convenience store clerks? Farm hands? Cart-boys at Grocery stores? Countless jobs in the service industry such as custodians and personnel turning out the beds at hotels and such. If raising the minimum wage will not help then please tell us what can?

As I have said, you work where you want to work. No one is being forced to work a low paying job. If your job is not meeting your needs, then you are free to look for work somewhre else.

Also, I have proposed a very good solution, but it has fallen on deaf ears. GET AN EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't have the skills to land a better paying job, then you can go to school and get those skills. I have shared classrooms with single moms who work full time and go to school, and if they can do it anyone can. YOU ARE THE SOLUTION. It is the same good ol' rugged individualism and determination that America is founded on. No one is owed the American dream. You have to work for it, but it worth it.

[O'Dannyboy]

Ezekiel 34:3