Millions in UK eat halal meat without knowing it

[Qnts2]

 

 

 

I am not an expert on Halal, so I am looking up the laws.

 

The animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim, 'in the name of Allah', “Bismillah”. 

 

It must be stored separately and not come in contact with forbidden meats or substances. The storage area must be properly cleaned to ensure there are no leftover traces of forbidden meats or substances. If Halal is anything like Kosher, a designated/certified Muslim must do periodic inspections of the restaurant to make sure it is in compliance (for a fee).

 

So, the basic requirement would involve a minimum of two Muslim jobs. 

 

For Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered by a certified Jewish person. The facilities which are Kosher need to be inspected by a Rabbi to receive a Kosher certification (for a fee). And there must be a Jewish person (chef) supervising all cooking.

 

Kosher has more rules then Halal. The Kosher blessing before slaughter isn't a statement like 'in God's name'.  It is ''Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, Sovereign of the universe, Who has commanded us regarding shechitah."  Shechitah is the method of ritual slaughter,

 

 

The fundamental differences between kosher and halal is that Jews never make demands on other people. If they find a business that doesn't provide kosher food, they'll go elsewhere.

Jews never mind somebody sitting next to them eating bacon. Muslims on the other hand will complain about it.

Halal is just another form of Muslim bullying. They expect to be prioritised above everyone else.

 

 

In todays world, people in general are more likely to demand that others accomodate them, or comply with their views.

 

There are a couple of things in Judaism which are different then both Islam and Christianity. First, Judaism views the Mosaic law as given to Jewish people. Unless a non-Jew lives in Israel, none of the Mosaic law is considered as an obligation for non-Jews. Another difference is that Judaism is for Jews, and Judaism does not try to convert non-Jews to Judaism.  

 

Since I believe in Jesus, I do believe it is our obligation to share the gospel, hoping others come to belief.  

 

Just for my own understanding, Christianity historically has wanted laws past which make non-Christians conform in action to Christian 'laws'. In the U.S., prohibition (not allowing any alchoholic beverages), was a mainly Christian movement. Laws were passed which forbid the production or consumption of alchoholic drinks. It didn't last that long. But, how was that different then a Muslim wanting restaurants to cater to their needs?

 

 

A big difference. It doesn't matter what a Christian group did in the U.S., the Bible doesn't tell us to enforce our laws on other people, yet the Q'uran demands that non-Muslims respect non-Muslims. Halal food is just another form of creeping Sharia.

 

A couple more questions.

 

In the NT, there will be a time when Jesus will reign on earth, and the law for the entire earth will be the laws of Jesus. While some Christians attempt to legislate that law (as they see it), now, in my view, scripture says Jesus will return and establish His Kingdom on earth, not us.

 

In the OT, and according to Judaism (generalized statement as not all of Judaism believes this), the Messiah will come, defeat the enemies of Israel, and establish a kingdom greater then any ever seen. Non-Jews will admit how the children of Israel are right, honor the God of Israel, and come up to Jerusalem to pay honor to the Messiah-King.  This is future and established by the Messiah.

 

So, in Islam, do their books talk about a future where a Messiah will come and establish Islam as the world religion, judge the wicked, etc? Or does the book say that faithful Muslims are to do this today? Are Muslims to establish Sharia law over all countries, according to the Koran? or according to the Hadith? or is the a future brought about by messiah, Mohammed, or someone else? 

 

Also, for the restaurants which serve Halal food, are they doing it to gain more customers? The Muslim population is large enough that this action will result in a potential gain in business? Or is this a company action in response to protests by the Muslim community? Is it voluntary for business increase or advantage, or was it coerced?   

[MorningGlory]

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

 

Can't argue with that one, O.W.! 

[OakWood]

 

 

 

 

I am not an expert on Halal, so I am looking up the laws.

 

The animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim, 'in the name of Allah', “Bismillah”. 

 

It must be stored separately and not come in contact with forbidden meats or substances. The storage area must be properly cleaned to ensure there are no leftover traces of forbidden meats or substances. If Halal is anything like Kosher, a designated/certified Muslim must do periodic inspections of the restaurant to make sure it is in compliance (for a fee).

 

So, the basic requirement would involve a minimum of two Muslim jobs. 

 

For Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered by a certified Jewish person. The facilities which are Kosher need to be inspected by a Rabbi to receive a Kosher certification (for a fee). And there must be a Jewish person (chef) supervising all cooking.

 

Kosher has more rules then Halal. The Kosher blessing before slaughter isn't a statement like 'in God's name'.  It is ''Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, Sovereign of the universe, Who has commanded us regarding shechitah."  Shechitah is the method of ritual slaughter,

 

 

The fundamental differences between kosher and halal is that Jews never make demands on other people. If they find a business that doesn't provide kosher food, they'll go elsewhere.

Jews never mind somebody sitting next to them eating bacon. Muslims on the other hand will complain about it.

Halal is just another form of Muslim bullying. They expect to be prioritised above everyone else.

 

 

In todays world, people in general are more likely to demand that others accomodate them, or comply with their views.

 

There are a couple of things in Judaism which are different then both Islam and Christianity. First, Judaism views the Mosaic law as given to Jewish people. Unless a non-Jew lives in Israel, none of the Mosaic law is considered as an obligation for non-Jews. Another difference is that Judaism is for Jews, and Judaism does not try to convert non-Jews to Judaism.  

 

Since I believe in Jesus, I do believe it is our obligation to share the gospel, hoping others come to belief.  

 

Just for my own understanding, Christianity historically has wanted laws past which make non-Christians conform in action to Christian 'laws'. In the U.S., prohibition (not allowing any alchoholic beverages), was a mainly Christian movement. Laws were passed which forbid the production or consumption of alchoholic drinks. It didn't last that long. But, how was that different then a Muslim wanting restaurants to cater to their needs?

 

 

A big difference. It doesn't matter what a Christian group did in the U.S., the Bible doesn't tell us to enforce our laws on other people, yet the Q'uran demands that non-Muslims respect non-Muslims. Halal food is just another form of creeping Sharia.

 

A couple more questions.

 

In the NT, there will be a time when Jesus will reign on earth, and the law for the entire earth will be the laws of Jesus. While some Christians attempt to legislate that law (as they see it), now, in my view, scripture says Jesus will return and establish His Kingdom on earth, not us.

 

In the OT, and according to Judaism (generalized statement as not all of Judaism believes this), the Messiah will come, defeat the enemies of Israel, and establish a kingdom greater then any ever seen. Non-Jews will admit how the children of Israel are right, honor the God of Israel, and come up to Jerusalem to pay honor to the Messiah-King.  This is future and established by the Messiah.

 

So, in Islam, do their books talk about a future where a Messiah will come and establish Islam as the world religion, judge the wicked, etc? Or does the book say that faithful Muslims are to do this today? Are Muslims to establish Sharia law over all countries, according to the Koran? or according to the Hadith? or is the a future brought about by messiah, Mohammed, or someone else? 

 

Also, for the restaurants which serve Halal food, are they doing it to gain more customers? The Muslim population is large enough that this action will result in a potential gain in business? Or is this a company action in response to protests by the Muslim community? Is it voluntary for business increase or advantage, or was it coerced?   

 

 

Yes the Muslims have End Times prophecy too. All the World will be forced to convert to Islam or go to Hell. There will then be World peace and everybody will be governed under Sharia law.

Sounds horrifying. However, in the meantime, Muslims are meant to try and conquer the Globe. The Musim messiah will come during a time of Global conflict which Muslims are meant to start so as to encourage his return.

The restaurants that serve halal food are doing it to gain more business, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't intimidation involved or at the very least Muslim whinging.

[missmuffet]

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

[OakWood]

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

[missmuffet]

 

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

 

I know it is.I don't eat it on an everyday basis.But I am only human and I don't want to live on celery,carrots and lettuce every single day.I am not a rabbit  

[OakWood]

 

 

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

 

I know it is.I don't eat it on an everyday basis.But I am only human and I don't want to live on celery,carrots and lettuce every single day.I am not a rabbit  

 

 

As long as you don't eat lamb because if you did, we would know why you lost your sheep, little BoPeep.

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

 

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

 

I know it is.I don't eat it on an everyday basis.But I am only human and I don't want to live on celery,carrots and lettuce every single day.I am not a rabbit  

 

 

As long as you don't eat lamb because if you did, we would know why you lost your sheep, little BoPeep.

 

Lamb chops?  

[OakWood]

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

 

I know it is.I don't eat it on an everyday basis.But I am only human and I don't want to live on celery,carrots and lettuce every single day.I am not a rabbit  

 

 

As long as you don't eat lamb because if you did, we would know why you lost your sheep, little BoPeep.

 

Lamb chops?  

 

 

Aaaaaaaargh! So that's what happened to your sheep!

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

Oh how I love pork.I would make a terrible Jew.Ham,bacon,pork chops...bring it on.

 

 

If the only meat I could eat for the rest of my life, through fear of eating halal, then I would be happy with meat of the pig and all its derivatives.

Also, it's not bad for you. The scientists got it wrong. Leading cardiologists have come up with new evidence that there is no correlation between saturated fats and heart diseases.

It's processed sugar that's the killer!

 

I know it is.I don't eat it on an everyday basis.But I am only human and I don't want to live on celery,carrots and lettuce every single day.I am not a rabbit  

 

 

As long as you don't eat lamb because if you did, we would know why you lost your sheep, little BoPeep.

 

Lamb chops?  

 

 

Aaaaaaaargh! So that's what happened to your sheep!

 

Who said anything happened to my sheep."Leave them alone and they will come home dragging their tails behind them.