Revelation 6:6

[other one]

To top it off, you will have to show that you have the mark to even purchase at these prices.

 

yeah, but one who doesn't worship the beast will already be dead so the mark will not be a big thing to deal with.

[1x1is1]

 

To top it off, you will have to show that you have the mark to even purchase at these prices.

 

yeah, but one who doesn't worship the beast will already be dead so the mark will not be a big thing to deal with.

 

 

I agree.  Aren't we blessed to have a book that tells us the future?  Thank you Jesus for waiting for me to answer the door.

[*Zion*]

It seems to me that we should learn right now not get fussy about how God wants to work in our lives; trust is going to be key when we want to be fed though there will be no food - eg: if you have a problem with your falling manna getting a bit dusty as it falls on the ground, or a raven bringing you food (see Elijah by the brook), then I don't know what to say.  I just pray I have enough faith at that time in Jesus, as we never know how or to what extent we are going to be tested - but it is important to be able to spot God in our situation when He does show up - and just trust Him.

 

May we be completely unshakable in Him!

 

I am so inspired, I have to change my signature!

[Salty]

I believe Satan's mark will be offered to automatically include worship of him, not forced upon the individual. Taking it will knowingly include one's affirmation to also bow in worship to him via his beast image (Rev.13). Refusing it will automatically include the sentence of death, just as it was with the golden idol the false prophets had king Nebuchadnezzar setup in Daniel's days, and as written in Rev.13.

 

Thus the 70 years captivity to Babylon of Daniel's days is the blueprint for the coming tribulation, not books by those like Hal Lindsay which are designed to scare you into believing you'll be raptured out.

 

Many have obviously missed what kind of times the "great tribulation" is going to be per our Lord Jesus and His Apostles. In Matt.24 our Lord Jesus said as long as you hear of wars and rumours of wars, what? He said the end is not yet. So the real end time (tribulation) will be like what per that? A time of world peace. All wars will have ceased. What would it require for all wars to cease upon this earth?

 

It will be a fake peace, but an attempt at deceptive world peace to appear as if God truly were upon this earth in that. Otherwise the coming Antichrist/false messiah would not be able to fool the nations into thinking he is God, which is how he is to actually appear to the whole world, sitting in the temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself as God, over all that is even called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:3-4).

 

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, the majority of the world will be saying, "Peace and safety" in that time, being deceived. But by whom? By that Antichrist-false messiah that is to come playing God.

 

So if he's coming to play God, would he do that by bringing all out war like the Hal Lindsay type literature speaks of? No, of course not. The dragon's aim is to get you to bow to him in place of God and His Christ. It's that simple. That's actually the pure meaning of the word "antichrist", i.e., the 'instead of Christ'.

 

The written works of those teaching the Pre-trib rapture doctrines have moved the timing of events like the Day of The LORD and Armageddon up in the real timeline order of end time Biblical events. They do that to try and make you believe you won't go through the coming tribulation, especially by telling you it's going to be total chaos on the earth, like the false apocalyptic movies designed to scare you into wanting to escape the earth.

 

In reality, it's going to be very similar to the times of Daniel and his fellows during the captivity to Babylon. Babylon was a pagan kingdom ya know. Only towards the near end of the tribulation will some of us be delivered up because of refusing to bow in false worship to the dragon-Antichrist that is coming to play God, just like in Daniel's days. The actual end of the tribulation will be with Christ's second coming to fight against the Antichrist's armies he will try to bring upon Israel, i.e, Armageddon. That is when the Day of The Lord events will transpire, right at the very end, actually ending the great tribulation and Satan's reign over the whole earth in that time.

 

There's two times of 'wrath' for the end per God's Word. The first time of 'wrath' is Satan's wrath upon God's people here on earth, i.e., the great tribulation timing. The other 'wrath' is God's Wrath upon Satan and his host and the wicked on the Day of The LORD, which ends... that great tribulation with Christ's return. It is God's Wrath that we are NOT appointed to per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, for he was talking about the "sudden destruction" that is to come upon those who will be saying, "Peace and safety" during the tribulation time. That "sudden destruction" timing is the Day of The LORD, the time of God's Wrath upon the wicked to END this present world, and thus the great tribulation of Satan's wrath upon God's people on earth.

 

How do we 'know' for sure, the tribulation will be ended by the Day of The LORD events? Easy, by studying all the events to occur on that day per God's OT prophets and per Christ's NT Apostles. God's consuming fire is to burn man's works ("elements" of 2 Pet.3:10) off this earth on that day. So how can the Antichrist's reign on earth not... be over by that?

 

The greatest warning our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us about the coming tribulation time is to not... be... deceived. If someone comes up to you saying, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", our Lord Jesus said to, "believe it not" (Matt.24:23). If they say, "Behold, he is in the desert", He said, "go not forth". If they say, "behold, he is in the secret chambers," He said, "believe it not." (Matt.24:26).

 

What kind of world view does that point to in that tribulation with the deceived saying those things? It points to how the majority will be deceived into believing our Lord Jesus has returned! "He's here! He's here!", many will be saying. Who all do you think will be saying that? The majority of all countries, including many deceived Christian brethren, that will believe that Antichrist coming to sit in a temple in Jerusalem will truly be our Lord Jesus having returned.

 

Have you not read Apostle Paul's warnings about that event in 2 Corinthians 11, where he warned of the "another Jesus", and then later said no marvel, for Satan himself is disguised ("transformed" in KJV) as "an angel of light"? Truly as the Mason Albert Pike said, they will seek to destroy both atheism and Christianity by introducing the world to the 'pure religion of Lucifer', that is who is coming to play God. And sadly many Christian brethren are not prepared for that event, having left God's Word to instead heed a bunch of Left-Behind charlatans who serve spiritual weakness upon a silver platter when our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ expect His servants to make a 'stand' in that evil day, putting on the whole Armour of God!

[Salty]

Jesus said the tribulation would be the worst time to live on earth. In lamentations it says the women ate the babies and then there are other times like ww2. Jesus said it would be worse.

 

Must not forget the time of "Peace and safety" the deceived will saying during the coming tribulation (1 Thess.5). That's in relation to the little horn of Daniel appearing on the world scene to make craft prosper and destroy using peace (Dan.8).

 

Per Rev.13, the "another beast", a specific person I believe is the Antichrist, is hinted at healing the deadly wound that's upon the first beast of Rev.13:1, a beast kingdom. So for part of the tribulation it will be chaos, but the other part when the Antichrist appears to the whole world, a time of "Peace and safety" with craft prospering. It's pointing to the Antichrist coming to heal the one-world beast structure, bringing it to reality.

 

In the first part of Christ's Olivet Discourse, He warned of a time He called "the beginning of sorrows", with nation rising up against nation, pestilences, famines, and earthquakes.

 

Then later once the abomination of desolation idol worship comes, that's when He warned of a time of "great tribulation" upon His servants. The deceived will still be saying, "Peace and safety".

 

Then the time of "sudden destuction" will come upon them with Christ's coming on the Day of The Lord (1 Thess.5 again).

[missmuffet]

Jesus said the tribulation would be the worst time to live on earth. In lamentations it says the women ate the babies and then there are other times like ww2. Jesus said it would be worse.

Women ate babies?Where is that at?

[Guest]

Women ate babies?Where is that at?

 

Maybe Lamentations 4?

 

 8Their appearance is blacker than soot,

            They are not recognized in the streets;

            Their skin is shriveled on their bones,

            It is withered, it has become like wood.

      9Better are those slain with the sword

            Than those slain with hunger;

            For they pine away, being stricken

            For lack of the fruits of the field.

      10The hands of compassionate women

            Boiled their own children;

            They became food for them

            Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people.

      11The LORD has accomplished His wrath,

            He has poured out His fierce anger;

            And He has kindled a fire in Zion

            Which has consumed its foundations.

 

etc.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Peeps....

     Honestly,I do not think Rev6:6 can be applied to today......not yet,not even close.Perhaps in other parts of the world they are feeling the birth pains of what is coming but in this part of the world ,although the prices are skyrocketing,it has not come to pass.In a society where many people can no longer afford the frozen entrees and fancy desserts they once were accustomed to,they can still browse through the grocery store and make adjustments.

       I stand in line at the grocery store & see what people purchase,coffee,kool-aid,Suzie Q's,potatoe chips & dips,ice cream,pop tarts,frozen waffles and then they pay with food stamps......hmmm?There are many truly starving people right here in America but it is a sad story of the "haves & the have nots".....when rev 6:6 is here,everyone will be happy to have the bare essentials.......frozen foods will be a faded memory

                                                                                                                                                 With love,in Christ,Kwik

[Salty]

For those interested in how the 3rd seal has already started:

 

I believe that 3rd seal had come decades ago, probably before we were born, and is still active. In Amos 8 God related the idea of a coming famine not with literal bread, but with looking everywhere for His Word and not finding it (which I believe is a metaphor for lack of understanding His Word with those who keep searching and searching for a real teacher of His Word with little success.)

 

The idea of balances is a symbol for commerce in general. The "measure of wheat for a penny, ..." is about a full day's wages just to buy one loaf of bread. That is pointing to the idea of inflation, which is exactly where the western nations are at today. We are now on the edge of hyper-inflation, which was the last stage of a nation's economic system just prior to collapse per the history of past nations (like Rome for one).

 

Prior to 1933 the American worker didn't pay an income tax.

 

In 1913 the Federal Reserve banking system was created, which controls our dollar and our economy. The Federal Reserve has set Inflation of the dollar to around 3-4% percent each year. Early U.S. Presidents fought the money powers in NY because of their wanting control through a central banking system. That is what the Federal Reserve bank system is. It is a private banking institution, not an actual part of the U.S. government. The Fed itself pays taxes. NY bankers created it (see Jekel Island history). To date there still is no congressional oversight over the Federal Reserve.

 

Why is that important to know? It's because the U.S. didn't have the many recessions and depressions until the Federal Reserve was created and allowed control over our U.S. economy with manipulating the dollar. They keep many confused about what Inflation and Deflation is really about.

 

Inflation of the dollar means the buying power of the dollar goes down. Reason prices have to then go up is to offset the dollar value going down. It's not really the stores or businesses that jerk the prices up because of greed (though some of that does occur). It's actually the buying power of the dollar becomes less, so the cost of production and labor has to be made up. Rise in prices is how their economy manipulation is set to do that. And they have traditionally set inflation of the dollar to occur at a steady rate of 3-4% each year.

 

So in our jobs, if we aren't getting a wage increase of 3-4% each year based on that Inflation rate, we are getting poorer each year.

 

The national trend today is a 2% raise, if you're lucky. For minimum wage folks the situation is more dire, as you see how often they raise the minimum wage, right? Basically then, the buying power of our money is becoming worth less even as we sleep at night.

 

Thus, it really isn't completely about how big a wage one earns, it's how much each dollar will buy. Using the balances idea of the 3rd seal, an all day wage for one loaf of bread, that would be an average wage today around $70-$100. Clearly things aren't that bad yet. But if the Fed is allowed to keep doing what they've been allowed to do, it can quickly reach that point under hyper-inflation mode. And we are well on our way to that (some say we've already reached the beginnings of hyper-inflation based on the national debt crisis).

 

Inflation really took off when the Fed made us completely leave the gold standard back in the early 1970's. The gold standard protected the buying power of the dollar. How so?

 

It prevented the condition of creating dollars out of thin air, not backed by anything except a prommisary note (U.S. Treasury Note, which is really nothing but a kind of check). Our money supply on this kind of system begins as a Debt paper. It is owed when created with ink and paper. It is then turned into a Federal Reserve Note which the Federal Reserve banking system controls:

 

 

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Investopedia explains 'Federal Reserve Note'

"Prior to 1971, any Federal Reserve Note issued was theoretically backed by an equivalent amount of gold held by the U.S. Treasury. However, under President Nixon, the gold standard was officially abandoned creating a fiat currency. In other words, Federal Reserve Notes were no longer backed by hard assets. Rather, Federal Reserve Notes were now backed solely by the government's declaration that such paper money was legal tender in the United States."

 

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Prior to that U.S. dollars were called "Silver Certificates", not Federal Reserve Note. The Federal Reserve Note they came up with after they had removed the gold backing of the U.S. dollar. Silver Certificates were backed by a fraction of gold reserves held in places like Ft. Knox (remember the James Bond movie Goldfinger?) A "fiat" dollar like today's Federal Reserve Note means creation simply by decree, not backed by anything at all except, what do you think? The taxpayer, you and I. (Thus their creation of the IRS to make sure they get it from us too).

 

In college economics I was taught the western theory of economics based on Scottish author Adam Smith's 1776 work The Wealth of Nations, basically a supply and demand free market type system. The U.S. hasn't been keeping to that kind of system for quite a while now, and how is that?

 

Under a truly free supply and demand market, the prices fluctuate more. Buying power of the dollar is not manipulated like they do today to try and keep prices steadily rising with inflation of the dollar. The gold standard prevented that, so prices went up and down more based on supply and demand, while the buying power of the dollar stayed the same. Now what they've been doing is manipulating the dollar's value so as to keep prices more steady but still continually rising. That way the effect most people will see is with prices steadily rising, while we don't often point to it being because the buying power of the dollar became weaker. We just know we need more... dollars. Not really seeing what they do to the value of the dollar itself is where the real problem today resides.

 

Why did the central bankers want to get away from the gold standard?

 

In essence, so 'they' (banking elites) could control the power of money. Most probably expected me to say something like that, "love of money is the root of all evil", etc. What these bankers have done is surgically removed much of the people's wealth out of their own hands, without so much as a peep. It has put most of the money power in their and the politician's hands that do their bidding. They bail out huge corporations and banks that do illegal finance speculation (like the mortgage crisis in 2008 by AIG, etc.). They make a killing off of loans to other whole nations, even some nations that the U.S. should not support because those nations have declared us as an enemy (Red China).

 

They bail out their buddies, Wall Street firms, and banks (Chase Manhattan, Citigroup, J.P. Morgan-Chase, Wells Fargo, GMAC, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, PNC Financial Services, U.S. Bancorp, Suntrust, American Express, Bank of New York Mellon, CIT Group, J.P. Morgan subsidiaries, Zions Bancorp, Huntington Bancshares, General Motors, and many, many more - see http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list).

 

Every bailout means congress telling the U.S. Treasury to print more "fiat" money out of thin air that then makes the value of the dollar do down, inflating the U.S. money supply. That's right, more dollars in circulation does not... mean there's more real value available. It means the value of the dollar must go down because more dollars are added to what's already in circulation, which is the REAL meaning Inflation of the dollar. If someone keeps telling you Inflation is about prices with trying to keep you off the idea of the buying power of the dollar going down because of it, then you know they either don't know, or they are lying.

 

Our politicians are not ONLY... doing those bailouts with U.S. corporations, they've been doing it with foreign countries they make loans to also. The poor foreign country gets an economic boost, but can't pay the loan. The bankers come in and given them a new loan, with more money to spend. And it keeps on going, just so long as the bankers can keep the loans and interest... building, because that's how they're getting rich with this fiat money system, i.e., on the debt that is created giving them a way make you a loan so they can made interest off it.

 

That's really what the mortgage crisis of 2008 was about, the bankers took the debt owed on mortgage loans and magically turned it into a credit instrument that investors could buy and trade, at the wave of a hat. They got just the right financial backers involved, like Harvard economic professors, the Fed, central banking elites, even promoters with Standard & Poors to fool investors into buying it, and politicians to help keep it moving along until they could get all the money out of it before its collapse. The more mortgage loans a bank made the more debt, and thus the more credit instrument to play with. In other words, they created money (credit instrument) using debt (mortgages). That credit instrument was bought and sold just like stock in a company, when in reality it had absolutely NO real value at all!!!

 

And those bankers are still laughing at us, along with our nation's enemies.