FYI - Benny Hinn Segment on Dateline

[carlos123]

Hmmm....once again Sola. Thanks for sharing. You do bring up some good points and applicable caution and possibly correction about our conversation on this thread.

We do indeed have to be careful at flinging around accusation based on hearsay or just what we have heard from others. Unless those others are absolutely credible as eye-witnesses or otherwise mind you but still we have to be cautious.

Still there are some things that I personally can see. Some based on facts and some based on my personal observations. I have personally been to a Benny Hinn healing service and I did feel the presence of the Lord there but at the same time I saw also what appeared to me to be a show. A well rehearsed and well orchestrated show. In the sense that everything went over smoothly. The lines for healing had ushers well placed. No slip ups. No one saying things out of line with what was being said. People being seated in a very organized way. It struck me as being a big show.

They even had a side room with an absolutely gigantic TV screen in it such that the overflow crowd could be seated and watch Benny through closed circuit TV.

Now granted that's just my personal observation. I share it for what it's worth not to imply that my observation is entirely descriptive of what was going on that night. But I was left thinking that Benny was acting out a very carefully scripted and organized show.

I mean in the sense that there are certain things he says, certain times to do things, and certain ways to conduct the service. Not that he knows ahead of time what every person coming on stage will say or do in response to him.

He seems like an absolute master of making something that may be well thought out and organized seem like it is very spontaneous.

Again the above is just an observation. It alone is not enough to warrant an accusation of Benny being wrong but it does make things a bit suspicious.

However I do know this. Benny makes an absolute fortune from his activities. I mean an absolute fortune! That is a fact!

He uses a sizable portion of his fortune to buy things for himself. That is a fact!

He sorrounds himself with body guards such that people have a hard time getting to him personally or interacting with him personally at any time. And his organization is not a member of that accoutability one that most all other major ministries are such that his financial dealings could more adequately come under shared accoutability. That is a fact!

Based on just those facts alone and based on my understanding of how the greatest one of all lived I would say withtout a doubt that Benny is off in something. What that something is that results in these facts being played out, that are totally inconsistent with Jesus's lifestyle and teachings about not storing up for ourselves treasures on Earth, I don't know. But that there is something wrong somewhere seems self evident to me.

Is he a complete sham? Is he doctrinally off in some major areas? Is he a liar? I don't rightly know. It's possible. It wouldn't surprise me. But we are to think the best of each other unless there is definite proof of these things through the testimony of at least two or three witnesses that would know these things without a doubt to be true.

Is the media a witness? I think so. But we have to also be suspect of a media that is rabidly anti-God at heart in that there is ample testimony against their credibility. Having twisted, if not outright liied, in many stories at many times to orient things around their liberal bent. So in other words the testimony of the media may be uncredible by itself in terms of being a witness against Benny. Any such testimony has to be corroberated by others more credible within the Christian world I think.

There are some grounds for believing there are such witnesses but I personally cannot tell for sure who those credible witness may be.

One other thing that strikes me as fact. Benny is a one man show. He is not part of a group of men being led by the Spirit and making decisions collectively under His Lordship. Oh I do not mean that he might not have boards of this and boards of that advising him or to which he claims accountability. That may well be. I mean that in the end if there is no Benny there is no show so to speak.

That is majorly suspect in my understanding of Biblical truth. When men set themselves up, either intentionally or not, as the head cheese such that they come accross as being irreplaceable then there is again something wrong going on in that man's heart.

What I can't say, since I can't question Benny directly but the fruit of his life strikes me as being rather un-Christlike in all this and very suspect.

At the very least he should allow other Christians to ask questions and to investigate things more adequately such that Christians throughout the Church might be able to support or expose Benny as the case may be. That he does not open himself up to examination from those who mght question his ministry is also a fact I think and again very suspecdt.

The fact that he does not leads to all kinds of speculation on the part of Christians as a whole and does not allow the issue of Benny to be settled once for all. But this itself is of Benny's doing in that he does not open up to examination. To reproof and correction.

Any man that becomes as big as Benny, as rich as Benny, as carefully protected through a screen of bodyguards and such from interaction with the public, as vital to his ministry as he is, and as unwilling to allow examination of his life by others in the Church has got something going on in his heart that is not right Sola. Of that there is no question in my mind. None whatsoever. What that something is I cannot say for sure but the fruit of his life, not what he preaches, does not strike me as being very good.

There is something wrong there and it needs to be exposed. Not saying that a secular show will expose it since it undoubtedly is a spiritual matter but there IS something wrong there. I pray and hope that the Lord will expose it in His good time.

Carlos

[Sola Scriptora]

as vital to his ministry as he is, and as unwilling to allow examination of his life by others in the Church has got something going on in his heart that is not right Sola. Of that there is no question in my mind. None whatsoever. What that something is I cannot say for sure but the fruit of his life, not what he preaches, does not strike me as being very good.

Well let me give you some facts:

Benny Hinn went to James Robison and Jack Hayford for accountability and input. He realized that he needed that and it was not good to be like an island.

Now does anyone here know this??? Apparently not, so they ASSUME he is accounatable to no one and running around doing whatever he wants.

This again SHOWS that people are listening to the accusations of others and slandering this man with no facts whtsoever.

To all of you:

Do a study of evil-speaking, evil-surmisings, talebearing, and slander. See what God thinks about THAT before you shoot your mouths off about Benny Hinn.

I have no problem if what you're saying is true and PROVABLE. The problem is most of you can PROVE NOTHING, so you are in the position of condemning a man and ministry with no justifiable cause. I say thats risky at best, and plain sinful at worst.

And, not liking THE WAY he ministers is hardly a reason to bring such serious charges against the man! Praying for people and them falling down is not wrong per se, esp if God is behind it.

And doing things in an orderly fashion is not wrong or a show. Believe me, they have LEARNED that doing things in an organized fashion is helpful to all involved. Winging it is not a Christian virtue for ministry!

As for fruit, he can garner THOUSANDS OF TESTIMONIES showing his minsitry gets people saved and healed, and glorifes the Lord. So what "fruit" are we talking about. If he is of God, I FULLY EXPECT THE WORLD TO HATE HIM, MOCK HIM, AND GO AFTER HIM TO DESTROY HIM AND HIS REPUTATION.

Jesus said WOE UNTO YOU WHEN ALL MEN SPEAK WELL OF YOU. For that is how they speak of the false prophets which were before you. Think about it

[carlos123]

as vital to his ministry as he is, and as unwilling to allow examination of his life by others in the Church has got something going on in his heart that is not right Sola. Of that there is no question in my mind. None whatsoever. What that something is I cannot say for sure but the fruit of his life, not what he preaches, does not strike me as being very good.

Well let me give you some facts:

Benny Hinn went to James Robison and Jack Hayford for accountability and input. He realized that he needed that and it was not good to be like an island.

When I said what I said Sola it was with reference to being accountable to the Body of Christ as a whole and letting himself be examined by those who might not be neccessarily supportive of his ministry.

From what I know of James Robison and Jack Hayford they move in the same sorts of things that Benny moves in so I am not sure that this is a very worthwhile way for Benny to be accountable. It seems more like accumulating teachers in accord with our own desires to me than not.

I do however stand corrected in your pointing out that he is at least having some accountability which is very good! Thanks for pointing that out Sola.

Now does anyone here know this???  Apparently not, so they ASSUME he is accounatable to no one and running around doing whatever he wants.

Yes there was some assumption there on my part but it was based on what I had heard on this forum and elswhere. Do I know personally that he is not accountable to this or that organization? No. But then I do not know personally that there has been a terrible tragedy in Asia either.

I base my assumptions if you will on what I hear from others who I deem to be credible.

If I have assumed wrongly about Benny's accountabilty, and obviously to some degree I have, please accept my sincerest apology. Bringing an accusation against a leader (or elder) of God's people is indeed a serious thing and I would not want to be found flippantly bringing such an accusation based solely on hearsay and frivolous assumption.

This again SHOWS that people are listening to the accusations of others and slandering this man with no facts whtsoever.

I do believe that we as a Church are too prone to doing that Sola. Thanks for pointing that out.

I have no problem if what you're saying is true and PROVABLE. 

We are agreed on that at least .

And doing things in an orderly fashion is not wrong or a show.  Believe me, they have LEARNED  that doing things in an organized fashion is helpful to all involved.  Winging it is not a Christian virtue for ministry!

Agreed Sola. I stand corrected though I still think it was a show as in put on for the purpose of making the evening more than it would have been by the Holy Spirit's influence alone. The difference herre is that I am not saying definitively that it was a show only that this was MY impression of what transpired. Surely there is nothing wrong with expressing how one of Benny's services came accross to me as long as I distance that, and clearly I have I think, from definitively saying that it proves anything about Benny. Other than it proves that this was my impression of what I saw.

As for fruit, he can garner THOUSANDS OF TESTIMONIES showing his minsitry gets people saved and healed, and glorifes the Lord.  So what "fruit" are we talking about. 

I was using the term "fruit" as a general term refering to what I see coming out of his life. Perhaps I was too focused on the bad that I see and not the good. Thanks again for pointing out that possibility Sola. You come accross as very blunt sometimes, sometimes argumentative, but you also bring up some excellent points to ponder and some much needed correction and for that I am very thankful.

Carlos

[Sola Scriptora]

Well, God bless you bro! Most of what I said was really aimed at what others have been saying for pages. I addressed two things that you brought up, but my more serious comments are aimed at those who are recklessly condemning this man and his ministry.

As for fruit we see coming out of his life--we could only know his personal fruit if we knew him personally! Now I know some things about him as far as him really never watching TV. He said God showed him he had no time for it, not even to pause at a store for a moment and watch it while shopping! He desires to live a holy and sanctified life. The Bible teaches that false prophets are immoral adulterers and homosexuals. Benny is neither of these! It also says their sin will be brought out into the open.

Benny is very worship orientated. He demands that the service be worshipful in song selection and the attitude of everyone involved. He does not want to grieve the Holy Spirit. His brother Henry shared these things with us once, at a church we attended years ago. He told us about how things are behind the scenes, and that Benny puts up with no foolishness or flesh. He wants Jesus glorifed, and nothing to go on that could grieve or quench the Spirit.

So God bless you. I'm off to church!

[carlos123]

Most of what I said was really aimed at what others have been saying for pages.  I addressed two things that you brought up, but my more serious comments are aimed at those who are recklessly condemning this man and his ministry.

I figured as much Sola. I didn't take it personally as much as wanting to add my two cents worth to what you said for the sake of all of us. Including me. Accepting correction on behalf of all you might say where ever there was a need to be corrected that was reflected in what I shared.

So God bless you.  I'm off to church!

Thanks Sola. May the Lord cause you to see more of Him today. I wish that I had a church to go off to but I have not found one that I seem to fit into and that fits me so to speak here locally.

Carlos

[Catsmeow]

I felt so bad last night about what I did with Cats that I wanted to go crawl under a rock and hide!!

Don't sweat it, I think we've all been there and done that.

And Cat is quite the gracious person and I'm sure forgives you.

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No one on Worthy Boards knows me better than Work In Progress. She was my very first *and best friend since I joined years ago.

She knows my heart and can speak for me, especially when I can't.

[IreneM]

no hinn on dateline they had the tsunami news on instead

so for those on west coast no need to pray

In Christ

IreneM

[Catsmeow]

That was an answer to prayer in and of itself.

[Work in Progress]

Yeah, I saw that, Irene. Maybe they had some legal trouble with the Hinn segment, or maybe they thought the Tsunami would get better ratings.

I did hear them, at the end of the show, talk about the upcoming show, but I didn't catch what they said. (Had my head under the faucet, lol)

[IreneM]

You can not make people see who refuse to

You can not open the eyes of those who choose to be blind

All we can do is pray that the Holy Spirit convicts........

In Christ

Irene M