Cross Reference Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Hummm, I see Israel spent 40 days scoping out the promised land and not being willing to do what God told them to do and spending 40 years in the desert for an entire generation to die off..... I see Jesus spending 40 days in the desert fasting and praying and being tempted by Satan..... I don't get the comparison...... Then you obviously don't understand that every gift God gives is in promise form. Also it is obvious you didn't read my references. Read them all twice and that's why I responded... might I ask what promise did God give Jesus in the desert??? Sometimes I can be dense. For what reason did God allow Jesus left alone to be tempted of the Devil after having empowering Him__God thereafter never interfered in anyway until the forty days were up.. Edited June 17, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 Blessings Cross... I read your references and compared them to Lukes account of Jesus in the wilderness & the only thing I could compare is that Jesus always trusted our Father.He walked in complete obedience to the Will of the Father.......the Israelites on the other hand were the complete opposite ,had they trusted & obeyed God in those 40 days(as Jesus did) they would not suffered the consequence & could have moved on & into Gods promise for them without delay...... May I ask,what promise you are referring to or just stating "all Gods promises"? Praise the Lord! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 Blessings Cross... I read your references and compared them to Lukes account of Jesus in the wilderness & the only thing I could compare is that Jesus always trusted our Father.He walked in complete obedience to the Will of the Father.......the Israelites on the other hand were the complete opposite ,had they trusted & obeyed God in those 40 days(as Jesus did) they would not suffered the consequence & could have moved on & into Gods promise for them without delay...... May I ask,what promise you are referring to or just stating "all Gods promises"? Praise the Lord! With love-in Christ,Kwik You received all the understanding that I could have hoped for. . . You see it! Now can you see the modern day Christian and that Jesus [not as God] is indeed our role model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,190 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) The Biblical account of the children of Israel refusal to enter the land was death to those 20 years of age and abovewith the exception of Joshua, Caleb and Moses. It took 40 years to accomplish this Word of God... Love, Stevenhttp://www.gotquestions.org/wilderness-wandering.html Edited June 17, 2014 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) The Biblical account of the children of Israel refusal to enter the land was death to those 20 years of age and above with the exception of Joshua, Caleb and Moses. It took 40 years to accomplish this Word of God... Love, Stevenhttp://www.gotquestions.org/wilderness-wandering.html . . .with the realization that God does tempt to prove and must break His promise after the results are in and are not to His necessary satisfaction. Does anyone wish to call that "works salvation"? Edited June 17, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 Blessings Cross... Yes I do,I always see Jesus as our role model & in everything Written about Him as an example of daily living........ we are far from perfect but looking at Him we can strive towards that perfection,as Gods Word tells us we can,We are more than conquerors in Christ! Praise the Lord! With love-in Christ,Kwik Blessings noobs Good reading reference,thanks for sharing! God Bless you my Brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,190 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 17, 2014 . . .with the realization that God does tempt to prove and must break His promise after the results are in and are not to His necessary satisfaction. Does anyone wish to call that "works salvation"? God says: I do not use temptationJames 1:13 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: KJV God says I test or try: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-tempt-us-to-sin.html You have been queried about this and your studied opinion is test-temp-trial are the same... Clearly though out in God's Word they are not... Must break His Promise (?) Where in Scripture do you find God breaking promises Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) . . .with the realization that God does tempt to prove and must break His promise after the results are in and are not to His necessary satisfaction. Does anyone wish to call that "works salvation"? God says: I do not use temptationJames 1:13 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: KJV God says I test or try: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-tempt-us-to-sin.html You have been queried about this and your studied opinion is test-temp-trial are the same... Clearly though out in God's Word they are not... Must break His Promise (?) Where in Scripture do you find God breaking promises Love, Steven Check your Greek and Hebrew for understanding they mean the same. What you fail to take into consider is the motivation that lies behind each word when used. Context helps which reveals such motivation. "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise." Numbers 14:34 (KJV) "Unbelief" never enters the 'fulfillment' of God's "Promises". In this case, the "natural Promised Land". For the new born of God, Christian, it is the "Spiritual Promised Land "____ Romans 8 which is a plumbline whereby each of us is able to gage our own spirituality. "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:1 (KJV) Again, what is the motive of God but to "prove" Abraham". "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12 (KJV) I hope all that helps in some way. Edited June 17, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2014 Hummm, I see Israel spent 40 days scoping out the promised land and not being willing to do what God told them to do and spending 40 years in the desert for an entire generation to die off..... I see Jesus spending 40 days in the desert fasting and praying and being tempted by Satan..... I don't get the comparison...... Then you obviously don't understand that every gift God gives is in promise form. Also it is obvious you didn't read my references. Read them all twice and that's why I responded... might I ask what promise did God give Jesus in the desert??? Sometimes I can be dense. For what reason did God allow Jesus left alone to be tempted of the Devil after having empowering Him__God thereafter never interfered in anyway until the forty days were up.. are you Jewish..... you keep answering my questions with questions....... what does your question have to do with promises The Father might have made to Jesus..... How about some answers instead of questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted June 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted June 17, 2014 This thread has become terribly complicated and has turned into a discussion of Christology. Let me give my simple and probably naive take on it. Jesus was hungry. He would have wanted something to eat but he had been given a test. He didn't just fast because he had nothing better to do. If he had turned the stones into bread he would have given into temptation and failed the test. It's nothing to do with misusing his power or following instructions from Satan. It's to do with the fact that he wanted something to eat and turning stones into food would have been a fail on his part. I can't see why it would be more complicated than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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