JESUS AND THE CRIMINALS ON THE CROSS" LUKE 23:32-43"

[Jerry1023]

Luke 23:32-43" this very passage in the bible tell us about [2] two criminals,that where crucified along with Jesus,

from my own understanding,this two criminals has been sentence to death,

and the bible made us to understand that anybody that die in sin, will not make heaven,

I believe this two guys are on there way to hell fire,

But something happened on the cross,

the bible said in vers 39"

One of the criminals, who hung there hurled insults at him: Aren't you the Christ? save yourself and us,

40" But the other criminal rebuke him, Don't you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence?

41"we are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve,but this man has done nothing wrong,

42" Then he said, Jesus remember me,when you come into your kingdom.

43" Jesus answered him,I tell you the truth,today you will be with me in paradise,

what do you guys understand by what Jesus said,

does it mean that the statement one of the criminal made,or was that a confession?” automatically make Jesus to assured him a place in heaven,

does the paradise mean heaven?

does the promise of Jesus to the one of the criminal,

means that all his sins are forgiving¿,

do you guys think it is right to say, by the reason of the promise of Jesus to the criminal,he made it to heaven at last,

Does the paradise Jesus promise the criminal mean heaven?

[OakWood]

The criminal believed that Jesus was who he said he was, therefore in the last moments of his death, he became a believer. I believe that he repented too, although the Bible does not clarify that. However, anybody who accepts Jesus has already repented of their sins (in a way) because they are freely wanting to change and become renewed. Jesus would have been able to see what was in his heart.

This man was one of the early Christians, even though he technically did not become one until he was about to be killed. It just goes to show that it's never too late for any living person to be saved.

[fire-heart]

The event on the cross in my opinion goes deeper than ppl think. Jesus was in the middle of two sinners one to the right the other on the Left and this itself seems to show symbolism. For instance what if the right and left hands plnned to the cross represents two things the Jews and the gentiles and sinners and saints and Jesus being on the cross is him dying for both and his feet pinned to the cross could be earth and his head with the crown could represent heaven or his kingdom and Glory.

Say all of this is true then Jesus body is the map his right or left hand could represent the Jews and the Gentiles being connected through Christ and perhap his feet and head being earth and the kingdom of God finally being connected. The criminals also represent something. each one representing a type of ppl. One who refuse to accept the Gift os salvation and the other a people who love and fear God with a humble heart.

 

Heaven is paradise and I believe Jesus was talking to the criminal and the church he represented. Of course this is merely what I see

[OakWood]

The event on the cross in my opinion goes deeper than ppl think. Jesus was in the middle of two sinners one to the right the other on the Left and this itself seems to show symbolism. For instance what if the right and left hands plnned to the cross represents two things the Jews and the gentiles and sinners and saints and Jesus being on the cross is him dying for both and his feet pinned to the cross could be earth and his head with the crown could represent heaven or his kingdom and Glory.

Say all of this is true then Jesus body is the map his right or left hand could represent the Jews and the Gentiles being connected through Christ and perhap his feet and head being earth and the kingdom of God finally being connected. The criminals also represent something. each one representing a type of ppl. One who refuse to accept the Gift os salvation and the other a people who love and fear God with a humble heart.

 

Heaven is paradise and I believe Jesus was talking to the criminal and the church he represented. Of course this is merely what I see

 

You're suggesting here that the event probably never happened and this is just a parable. However, I believe that it literally happened. The reason that it was recorded by Luke is because it's a great message to tell us, to show us that it is never too late in your life to accept God. I don't think it is symbolic of anything, it's just a historically accurate event that was recorded because it has value to us. I realise that there is symbolism in the Bible, but I think that people make too much out of it. When you start to see symbolism in everything then you stop believing in the literal truth of scripture.

It's symbolism that caused the Catholic Church to invent the doctrine of replacement theology where they believed that the word 'Israel' symbolically meant the Church. It's also symbolism that makes some people believe that the entire Jesus story is just a myth and that his death on the cross never happened but is just symbolic of the concept of mercy. I'm not saying that there isn't a deeper meaning to the tale of two criminals on the cross either side of Jesus, but I think it is meant to be taken literally. It doesn't represent Jews on one side and Gentiles on the other - it just is what it is.

When you get too engrossed in symbolism then you start to make things up and re-imagine scripture to your own liking. That's the way that a lot of false Christians justify their sinful lifestyles by pretending that what is said in the Bible means something completely different.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one moment that you do that, but I just don't believe that the Bible is as symbolic as many people think it is. Sure, symbolism is used sometimes, but when it is, the Bible reveals what the symbolism is meant to be.

[fire-heart]

 

The event on the cross in my opinion goes deeper than ppl think. Jesus was in the middle of two sinners one to the right the other on the Left and this itself seems to show symbolism. For instance what if the right and left hands plnned to the cross represents two things the Jews and the gentiles and sinners and saints and Jesus being on the cross is him dying for both and his feet pinned to the cross could be earth and his head with the crown could represent heaven or his kingdom and Glory.

Say all of this is true then Jesus body is the map his right or left hand could represent the Jews and the Gentiles being connected through Christ and perhap his feet and head being earth and the kingdom of God finally being connected. The criminals also represent something. each one representing a type of ppl. One who refuse to accept the Gift os salvation and the other a people who love and fear God with a humble heart.

 

Heaven is paradise and I believe Jesus was talking to the criminal and the church he represented. Of course this is merely what I see

 

You're suggesting here that the event probably never happened and this is just a parable. However, I believe that it literally happened. The reason that it was recorded by Luke is because it's a great message to tell us, to show us that it is never too late in your life to accept God. I don't think it is symbolic of anything, it's just a historically accurate event that was recorded because it has value to us. I realise that there is symbolism in the Bible, but I think that people make too much out of it. When you start to see symbolism in everything then you stop believing in the literal truth of scripture.

It's symbolism that caused the Catholic Church to invent the doctrine of replacement theology where they believed that the word 'Israel' symbolically meant the Church. It's also symbolism that makes some people believe that the entire Jesus story is just a myth and that his death on the cross never happened but is just symbolic of the concept of mercy. I'm not saying that there isn't a deeper meaning to the tale of two criminals on the cross either side of Jesus, but I think it is meant to be taken literally. It doesn't represent Jews on one side and Gentiles on the other - it just is what it is.

When you get too engrossed in symbolism then you start to make things up and re-imagine scripture to your own liking. That's the way that a lot of false Christians justify their sinful lifestyles by pretending that what is said in the Bible means something completely different.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one moment that you do that, but I just don't believe that the Bible is as symbolic as many people think it is. Sure, symbolism is used sometimes, but when it is, the Bible reveals what the symbolism is meant to be.

 

Nowhere did I state it was not an actual event and a parable, I only explained what I think the symolism of the event was. everything has meaning and everything happens for a specific purpose. All I did was look a deeper into the event that saved us so please do not jump to conclusions

[OakWood]

 

 

The event on the cross in my opinion goes deeper than ppl think. Jesus was in the middle of two sinners one to the right the other on the Left and this itself seems to show symbolism. For instance what if the right and left hands plnned to the cross represents two things the Jews and the gentiles and sinners and saints and Jesus being on the cross is him dying for both and his feet pinned to the cross could be earth and his head with the crown could represent heaven or his kingdom and Glory.

Say all of this is true then Jesus body is the map his right or left hand could represent the Jews and the Gentiles being connected through Christ and perhap his feet and head being earth and the kingdom of God finally being connected. The criminals also represent something. each one representing a type of ppl. One who refuse to accept the Gift os salvation and the other a people who love and fear God with a humble heart.

 

Heaven is paradise and I believe Jesus was talking to the criminal and the church he represented. Of course this is merely what I see

 

You're suggesting here that the event probably never happened and this is just a parable. However, I believe that it literally happened. The reason that it was recorded by Luke is because it's a great message to tell us, to show us that it is never too late in your life to accept God. I don't think it is symbolic of anything, it's just a historically accurate event that was recorded because it has value to us. I realise that there is symbolism in the Bible, but I think that people make too much out of it. When you start to see symbolism in everything then you stop believing in the literal truth of scripture.

It's symbolism that caused the Catholic Church to invent the doctrine of replacement theology where they believed that the word 'Israel' symbolically meant the Church. It's also symbolism that makes some people believe that the entire Jesus story is just a myth and that his death on the cross never happened but is just symbolic of the concept of mercy. I'm not saying that there isn't a deeper meaning to the tale of two criminals on the cross either side of Jesus, but I think it is meant to be taken literally. It doesn't represent Jews on one side and Gentiles on the other - it just is what it is.

When you get too engrossed in symbolism then you start to make things up and re-imagine scripture to your own liking. That's the way that a lot of false Christians justify their sinful lifestyles by pretending that what is said in the Bible means something completely different.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one moment that you do that, but I just don't believe that the Bible is as symbolic as many people think it is. Sure, symbolism is used sometimes, but when it is, the Bible reveals what the symbolism is meant to be.

 

Nowhere did I state it was not an actual event and a parable, I only explained what I think the symolism of the event was. everything has meaning and everything happens for a specific purpose. All I did was look a deeper into the event that saved us so please do not jump to conclusions

 

 

Yes, sorry. You didn't suggest that but it could be implied that you did.

I believe everything that is recorded in the Bible has meaning too, but I don't see everything as being symbolic. I used to and it lead me down blind alleys.

[fire-heart]

 

 

 

The event on the cross in my opinion goes deeper than ppl think. Jesus was in the middle of two sinners one to the right the other on the Left and this itself seems to show symbolism. For instance what if the right and left hands plnned to the cross represents two things the Jews and the gentiles and sinners and saints and Jesus being on the cross is him dying for both and his feet pinned to the cross could be earth and his head with the crown could represent heaven or his kingdom and Glory.

Say all of this is true then Jesus body is the map his right or left hand could represent the Jews and the Gentiles being connected through Christ and perhap his feet and head being earth and the kingdom of God finally being connected. The criminals also represent something. each one representing a type of ppl. One who refuse to accept the Gift os salvation and the other a people who love and fear God with a humble heart.

 

Heaven is paradise and I believe Jesus was talking to the criminal and the church he represented. Of course this is merely what I see

 

You're suggesting here that the event probably never happened and this is just a parable. However, I believe that it literally happened. The reason that it was recorded by Luke is because it's a great message to tell us, to show us that it is never too late in your life to accept God. I don't think it is symbolic of anything, it's just a historically accurate event that was recorded because it has value to us. I realise that there is symbolism in the Bible, but I think that people make too much out of it. When you start to see symbolism in everything then you stop believing in the literal truth of scripture.

It's symbolism that caused the Catholic Church to invent the doctrine of replacement theology where they believed that the word 'Israel' symbolically meant the Church. It's also symbolism that makes some people believe that the entire Jesus story is just a myth and that his death on the cross never happened but is just symbolic of the concept of mercy. I'm not saying that there isn't a deeper meaning to the tale of two criminals on the cross either side of Jesus, but I think it is meant to be taken literally. It doesn't represent Jews on one side and Gentiles on the other - it just is what it is.

When you get too engrossed in symbolism then you start to make things up and re-imagine scripture to your own liking. That's the way that a lot of false Christians justify their sinful lifestyles by pretending that what is said in the Bible means something completely different.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one moment that you do that, but I just don't believe that the Bible is as symbolic as many people think it is. Sure, symbolism is used sometimes, but when it is, the Bible reveals what the symbolism is meant to be.

 

Nowhere did I state it was not an actual event and a parable, I only explained what I think the symolism of the event was. everything has meaning and everything happens for a specific purpose. All I did was look a deeper into the event that saved us so please do not jump to conclusions

 

 

Yes, sorry. You didn't suggest that but it could be implied that you did.

I believe everything that is recorded in the Bible has meaning too, but I don't see everything as being symbolic. I used to and it lead me down blind alleys.

 

I dont usually try to see symbolism in things because I have seen what happens when ppl do that-its not a pretty picture. However for this paticular subject things are different. See I prayed to God to show me th hidden secrets and deep things of his heart and I view the bible as the heart of God as well as his actual heart. I wanted to know and see what others could not and know God in a deeper level than what anyone thought possible.

 

Soon after that this is what I saw when I read about the cross event I didnt know if it was God answering my prayer or just my own view.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Jerry!

 

The criminal believed that Jesus was who he said he was, therefore in the last moments of his death, he became a believer. I believe that he repented too, although the Bible does not clarify that. However, anybody who accepts Jesus has already repented of their sins (in a way) because they are freely wanting to change and become renewed. Jesus would have been able to see what was in his heart.

This man was one of the early Christians, even though he technically did not become one until he was about to be killed. It just goes to show that it's never too late for any living person to be saved.                                                                                                             posted by Oakwood

I am in complete agreement here........."yes,he was Saved!"

                                                                                                                                                       With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Jerry1023]

God has use ”you guys on this site to bless me in many ways,and this site has really been of a great help to me,

when ever iam struggling with something that concerns my christian life and other things in life generally,I always feel free to share it with you guys here,

because problem share is half solve,

my bible told me expressly not to lean on my own understand,

because in the multitude of counsellors,there is safty,

I posted this thread because i had a disagreement with somebody concerning this very passage in the bible,

i believe the replies i receieve here will help me to know if iam right or wrong,

the bible said for who so ever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be save,

how can they call upon the Lord,

of who they have not believe,

how can they believe,without someone preaching to them,

I love this statement, the criminal believe on whom Jesus said He is

Jesus said to to the criminal I tell you the truth,

today,you will be with me in paradise,

this is a promise not statement,

somebody said that Jesus did not promise the criminal heaven,

because the criminal did not confess his sin,automatically the criminal die in sin,because no open confession,he only admit that he was justly sentence to death for the sins he commited,

the statement he made on the cross is not biblical enough to proved that he accept Jesus as the son of God.he only believe that Jesus was innocent,he did not see Jesus as God in human form,

[walkonwater]

Luke 23:46  -  And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, "Father into Your Hands I entrust My spirit:"  and having said thus, He gave up the ghost.       After Jesus called out to The Heavenly Father to receive His spirit, The Father received Him up to paradise, then Jesus earth body died.  That's what it means to never taste of death, we(our spirit) has to leave this body of earth first, then the body dies.  But we in Christ will never know death.  St. John 8:51  -  Verily, verily(in truth, truly) I(Jesus) say unto you, if a man keep my saying, "he will never see death."     John 11:25-26   -  Jesus said unto her(Martha), I am the resurrection, and the life: "whoever  believes in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever lives and believes in Me shall never die."    There's only Life in God, the resurrection is Jesus, it comes in Jesus, not a day or a time, but in Him, is there only Life in Him, then there's only life in us.   I know there is scripture in (Ephesians 4:9) that said that before Jesus ascended(went into heaven) that He descended(went into hell) first, but when Jesus went to sit on His throne of Glory in heaven, that was with "His resurrected, glorified earth body," as He is our heavenly King, now and forever.   And as you can see that as Jesus cried out to the Heavenly Father, when on the cross to receive His spirit to Him, The Father did receive Jesus spirit up to paradise, and after that is when Jesus had descended, then ascended up to His throne.   In II Corinthians 12:1-4  -  1.) It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.(Paul is speaking of that he shouldn't glory in himself, because he would have "visions and revelations" of Jesus)  2.) I knew a man in Christ over 14 years ago, (whether in the body, I can't tell: or whether out of the body, I can't tell: God knows;)  such a one caught up to to the "THIRD HEAVEN." (the third heaven is where God resides)  3.) And I  knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I can't tell: God knows;)   4.)  How that he was caught up into "PARADISE," and heard unspeakable words, which is not lawful for a man to utter.            Paul is speaking about the third heaven, and Paul called it paradise also, so that would make heaven also paradise, and that is where Jesus spirit was received, after fulfilling our salvation in Him on His cross, and  calling on Our Heavenly Father to receive Him.