The word 'olam'

[Guest shiloh357]

 

None of which is a direct reference to Hell.

 

I wish you would be more specific with your posts.

 

I don't know what you mean.   I said that all of the references you cite have nothing to do with Hell.  Hell is not the object the authors have in view.

[dscapp]

I don't know what you mean.   I said that all of the references you cite have nothing to do with Hell.  Hell is not the object the authors have in view.

 

Yeah, but why should I take your word for it. You haven't proven anything except your opinion.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

I don't know what you mean.   I said that all of the references you cite have nothing to do with Hell.  Hell is not the object the authors have in view.

 

Yeah, but why should I take your word for it. You haven't proven anything except your opinion.

 

You don't have to take my word for it.  If I am wrong, prove it.

[dscapp]

You don't have to take my word for it.  If I am wrong, prove it.

 

Ok. Commentaries mention hell in Malachi 4:3 and Psalm 37:20..

 

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - Malachi 4:3

And ye shall tread down the wicked,.... As grapes in the winepress, as Christ did before them, Isaiah 63:2 and they by virtue of him; who makes them more than conquerors through himself, over all their enemies, spiritual and temporal:

for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet; this refers to the burning of them, Malachi 4:1 and may be literally understood of their being burnt with the city and temple; when afterwards, as Grotius observes, the city of Jerusalem being in some measure rebuilt, and called Aelia, there was a Christian church in it, governed by bishops, who were converted Jews; and so might be literally said to trample upon the ashes of the wicked, who had persecuted them in times past, they being upon the very spot where these men were destroyed by fire:

in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts: or "in the day which I make" (m); that is, by the rising of the sun of righteousness, the Gospel day. The Talmud (n) interprets this verse of the bodies of the wicked in hell, which after twelve months will be consumed, and the wind will scatter them under the soles of the feet of the righteous.

 

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - Psalm 37:20

But the wicked shall perish,.... In a time of famine, in an evil day, and particularly at the day of judgment: for this is to be understood, not merely of being in bodily distress and want; nor of perishing by death, common to the righteous and the wicked; nor of being in a lost perishing condition, as all men by nature are, but of eternal perdition in hell;

and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs, they shall consume; that is, either they shall consume away as the fat of lambs burnt upon the altar, which evaporates, or as lambs fattened on purpose to be killed, and so prepared for the day of slaughter; in like manner the wicked, who have waxed fat and kicked, will be destroyed; they being the enemies of God, yea, enmity to him, to Father, Son, and Spirit, to the Gospel and ordinances of Christ, and to his people, and will be treated as such. Some render the word, "like the excellency of pastures" (s); the grass of the field, which is cut down and withers presently; see Psalm 37:2;

into smoke shall they consume away, or "with" (t) it; that is, as it; see Psalm 68:1; or "in smoke" (u); in the smoke of eternal torments, or hell, as the Targum.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yeah based on the Talmud and Targum.   Neither of which represent sound biblical exegesis of the passages in question.   The immediate context of those verses has to do with the physical destruction and the judgment of God.  It has nothing to do with eternal suffering in hell.

[dscapp]

Yeah based on the Talmud and Targum.   Neither of which represent sound biblical exegesis of the passages in question.   The immediate context of those verses has to do with the physical destruction and the judgment of God.  It has nothing to do with eternal suffering in hell.

 

What exactly is the Talmud and Targum.

[Guest shiloh357]

Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the law and the Targum is a Jewish paraphrase of the OT.

[dscapp]

Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the law and the Targum is a Jewish paraphrase of the OT.

 

Why would they be incorrect if the Jewish people are God's people.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the law and the Targum is a Jewish paraphrase of the OT.

 

Why would they be incorrect if the Jewish people are God's people.

 

Just because the Jews are God's people, doesn't mean they are infallible.  It doesn't mean that we should follow their theology.  The Bible is self-interpreting and it simply doesn't tie those verses in with Hell.

[dscapp]

 

 

Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the law and the Targum is a Jewish paraphrase of the OT.

 

Why would they be incorrect if the Jewish people are God's people.

 

Just because the Jews are God's people, doesn't mean they are infallible.  It doesn't mean that we should follow their theology.  The Bible is self-interpreting and it simply doesn't tie those verses in with Hell.

 

 

Ok, thank you.