The word 'olam'

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

Do you understand the difference between word meaning and word usage?   Do you understand the concept of metaphors?  

 

I said the passages in Matthew were using a metaphor.  I didn't say that about Isa. 66:22-24.   Yes, judgment for nonbelievers occurs after the Millennium and they will go into the lake of fire.

 

Try again, because I ain't convinced of nothin.

 

Jer 31:38-40

38 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor's line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever."

 

Isa. 66:22-24 "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. 24 "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

 

Both of those passages are referencing the millennial period.   Isa 66 isn't talking about the new heavens and new earth.   Isaiah is comparing the perpetuity of the new heavens and new earth with the perpetuity of Israel's future offspring.  Read verse 22 carefully it is only making a comparison.   There will no moon in the new heavens and new earth so v. 23 cannot referencing that eternal time period.

 

 

Who exactly are these dead bodies in Jer 31:38-40 and Isa 66:22-24 if judgment occurs after the millennium.

 

It will be the dead bodies that are left after Jesus returns at the war of Armageddon and destroys all of the wicked.   The judgment that occurs after the end of the millennium is for all of the wicked humanity of all the ages.  They will be cast in to the lake of fire.

[dscapp]

It will be the dead bodies that are left after Jesus returns at the war of Armageddon and destroys all of the wicked.   The judgment that occurs after the end of the millennium is for all of the wicked humanity of all the ages.  They will be cast in to the lake of fire.

 

So you believe the location of the lake of fire can only be known by God.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

It will be the dead bodies that are left after Jesus returns at the war of Armageddon and destroys all of the wicked.   The judgment that occurs after the end of the millennium is for all of the wicked humanity of all the ages.  They will be cast in to the lake of fire.

 

So you believe the location of the lake of fire can only be known by God.

 

If you know where the lake of fire is, I would be interested in seeing scripture that reveals that.

[dscapp]

 

 

It will be the dead bodies that are left after Jesus returns at the war of Armageddon and destroys all of the wicked.   The judgment that occurs after the end of the millennium is for all of the wicked humanity of all the ages.  They will be cast in to the lake of fire.

 

So you believe the location of the lake of fire can only be known by God.

 

If you know where the lake of fire is, I would be interested in seeing scripture that reveals that.

 

 

I don't know, that's what I'm saying. It was a question to you because I don't know the answer.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

It will be the dead bodies that are left after Jesus returns at the war of Armageddon and destroys all of the wicked.   The judgment that occurs after the end of the millennium is for all of the wicked humanity of all the ages.  They will be cast in to the lake of fire.

 

So you believe the location of the lake of fire can only be known by God.

 

If you know where the lake of fire is, I would be interested in seeing scripture that reveals that.

 

 

I don't know, that's what I'm saying. It was a question to you because I don't know the answer.

 

Well, I don't see that it's relevant. 

[dscapp]

Well, I don't see that it's relevant. 

 

Why not, being that this whole thread is about the geographical location of hell and so forth, lol.

Edited August 1, 2014 by dscapp

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Well, I don't see that it's relevant. 

 

Why not, being that this whole thread is about the geographical location of hell and so forth, lol.

 

Neither hell nor the lake of fire are located on earth.    Gehenna was a geographical location Jesus used as a point of reference to kind of suffering one would experience in hell. 

 

Hell and the lake of fire are not same thing.   The Bible doesn't tell us where they are located and it really isn't important where they are located.

[dscapp]

Hell and the lake of fire are not same thing.

 

They're not? What do you mean.

[dscapp]

 

 

 

Do you understand the difference between word meaning and word usage?   Do you understand the concept of metaphors?  

 

I said the passages in Matthew were using a metaphor.  I didn't say that about Isa. 66:22-24.   Yes, judgment for nonbelievers occurs after the Millennium and they will go into the lake of fire.

 

Try again, because I ain't convinced of nothin.

 

Jer 31:38-40

38 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor's line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever."

 

Isa. 66:22-24 "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. 24 "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

 

Both of those passages are referencing the millennial period.   Isa 66 isn't talking about the new heavens and new earth.   Isaiah is comparing the perpetuity of the new heavens and new earth with the perpetuity of Israel's future offspring.  Read verse 22 carefully it is only making a comparison.   There will no moon in the new heavens and new earth so v. 23 cannot referencing that eternal time period.

 

Both of those passages are referencing the millennial period.

 

I think we're getting somewhere here. Thank you shiloh. There not being moons in the new earth makes a lot of sense because the glory of God will be our light. Also, does Isa 66 also show us the perpetuity of hell because the fire in Jerusalem burned out. I understand Isaiah is comparing the perpetuity of the new heavens and new earth with the perpetuity of Israel's future offspring, but what about hell??

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

Do you understand the difference between word meaning and word usage?   Do you understand the concept of metaphors?  

 

I said the passages in Matthew were using a metaphor.  I didn't say that about Isa. 66:22-24.   Yes, judgment for nonbelievers occurs after the Millennium and they will go into the lake of fire.

 

Try again, because I ain't convinced of nothin.

 

Jer 31:38-40

38 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor's line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever."

 

Isa. 66:22-24 "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. 24 "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

 

Both of those passages are referencing the millennial period.   Isa 66 isn't talking about the new heavens and new earth.   Isaiah is comparing the perpetuity of the new heavens and new earth with the perpetuity of Israel's future offspring.  Read verse 22 carefully it is only making a comparison.   There will no moon in the new heavens and new earth so v. 23 cannot referencing that eternal time period.

 

Both of those passages are referencing the millennial period.

 

I think we're getting somewhere here. Thank you shiloh. There not being moons in the new earth makes a lot of sense because the glory of God will be our light. Also, does Isa 66 also show us the perpetuity of hell because the fire in Jerusalem burned out. I understand Isaiah is comparing the perpetuity of the new heavens and new earth with the perpetuity of Israel's future offspring, but what about hell??

 

Death and Hell are thrown into the lake of fire.  Unbelievers will suffer for eternity in the Lake of Fire.   There is an unending eternal punishment there.